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LOL.

That's what AMD's lies boil down to. Let's wait and see. Wait for this driver. Wait for this fix. WAIT FOR THIS WAIT FOR THAT..

I had 5870CF and 7970CF. 5870CF? Tearing in CF eyefinity? Get a MST hub to fix it. AMD told me this in 2010. Only MST hubs didn't appear on the market until 2013 and only in EUROPE at that, i'm in the US. Then with 7970 CF. Why did i buy it? I'm an idiot. But oh wait. Tearing and microstutter bug still exists in crossfire eyefinity. Has it been fixed? NO. IT STILL HASN'T BEEN FIXED.

LET'S WAIT AND SEE. Websites reported on the crossfire eyefinity tear/stuttering issue in 2012. AMD didn't even acknowledge the bug until websites pestered them in 2012. Then they said, wait and see, wait for our driver. In 2012. Guess what. Bug still exists. AMD admitted to the bug. Wait and see guys! LOL. That's AMD for you. Their marketing suckered you in hook line and sinker. I could go on with AMD issues I had constantly when I was an AMD GPU user, only I learned that AMD is full of lies and half truths.

By the way. You can't upgrade monitor firmware - you can't upgrade a monitor control board through firmware, and even if you COULD in some alternate fantasy land, monitor firmware is NOT user upgradeable. You have to RMA the monitor, and assume that the monitor manufacturer wants to bother with doing AMD's dirty work for them (YEAH RIGHT). Meanwhile, AMD keeps throwing out vague half-truths to give AMD users hope. "Maybe" you can upgrade the firmware. That isn't true. Monitor firmware isn't user upgrade-able, and doesn't magically turn the control module into a variable refresh aware one. You keep buying into their marketing BS though.

You keep waiting and seeing. ME? I'm done waiting and seeing. I'm done listening to AMD's lies. The facts are this:

1) AMD's freesync demo only worked because their laptops used the eDP interface. eDP is not used in desktop monitors.
2) AMD's freesync requires displayport 1.3 according to several websites Their GPUs do not support DP 1.3. DP 1.3 is not even finalized yet, and probably won't be until this summer or fall of 2014. (edit: this isn't confirmed, but AMD was completely vague on whether DP 1.3 is required or not. I suspect that AMD doesn't even know or want to tell us)
3) AMD's freesync requires a controller in the monitor that is variable refresh aware. This is NO DIFFERENT THAN g-sync which has a module for the SAME REASON. AMD's marketing lied and told you it was free.
4) Based on #3: new monitor is not free. new controller is not free. This ignores the fact that DP 1.3 monitors will not be on market for all of 2014 in all likelihood.
5) Freesync is marketing type designed to take attention away from g-sync.
6) Lastly, g-sync was not announced until it was DONE. nvidia has monitor partners READY. G-sync monitors are ready. The release time frame is set. Nvidia has a plan to get it to market.
7) Meanwhile, AMD's lying, I mean, marketing department has zero monitor partners. They don't have a release time frame. They have no plan to market.

Do you see a difference here? Free-sync is marketing nonsense. Even the name alone, free-sync, is a spin of "g-sync". Marketing fluff. You keep waiting and seeing. I'm 99.9% sure free-sync won't happen in 2014, based on AMD's prior history of never delivering on promises. You can vilify nvidia all you want based on their pricing, but G-sync wasn't announced until it was done and ready. I don't particularly like nvidia the corporation, because they do charge a lot of money. But? They deliver on promises. They didn't tell us about g-sync until they had a plan. And on that note, g-sync is DONE RIGHT NOW. Free-sync? We have more questions than answers. It will not happen in 2014. This I can almost guarantee you.

play games and you'll realize that nvidia drivers are not any better or even worst than amd's. how can you stand installing and uninstalling driver for different games? lol

how can gsync help if the driver itself will make the game stutter?headscratch.gif
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post #282 of 321
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LOL.

That's what AMD's lies boil down to. Let's wait and see. Wait for this driver. Wait for this fix. WAIT FOR THIS WAIT FOR THAT..

I had 5870CF and 7970CF. 5870CF? Tearing in CF eyefinity? Get a MST hub to fix it. AMD told me this in 2010. Only MST hubs didn't appear on the market until 2013 and only in EUROPE at that, i'm in the US. Then with 7970 CF. Why did i buy it? I'm an idiot. But oh wait. Tearing and microstutter bug still exists in crossfire eyefinity. Has it been fixed? NO. IT STILL HASN'T BEEN FIXED.

LET'S WAIT AND SEE. Websites reported on the crossfire eyefinity tear/stuttering issue in 2012. AMD didn't even acknowledge the bug until websites pestered them in 2012. Then they said, wait and see, wait for our driver. In 2012. Guess what. Bug still exists. AMD admitted to the bug. Wait and see guys! LOL. That's AMD for you. Their marketing suckered you in hook line and sinker. I could go on with AMD issues I had constantly when I was an AMD GPU user, only I learned that AMD is full of lies and half truths.

"Free and open standards". I heard this somewhere before. Where? HD3D. "Hey guys, here's our 3D API, go forth and use it"! Only, AMD abandoned HD3D and gave the driver rights to Tri-Def. TRI-DEF CHARGES FOR THE HD3D DRIVER NOW. AMD? Left anyone who bought an HD3D monitor out to try. They abandoned it. "Free and open standards". It all sounds so good on paper for AMD's marketing. If only their marketing weren't liars.

By the way. You can't upgrade monitor firmware - you can't upgrade a monitor control board through firmware, and even if you COULD in some alternate fantasy land, monitor firmware is NOT user upgradeable. You have to RMA the monitor, and assume that the monitor manufacturer wants to bother with doing AMD's dirty work for them (YEAH RIGHT). Meanwhile, AMD keeps throwing out vague half-truths to give AMD users hope. "Maybe" you can upgrade the firmware. That isn't true. Monitor firmware isn't user upgrade-able, and doesn't magically turn the control module into a variable refresh aware one. You keep buying into their marketing BS though.

You keep waiting and seeing. ME? I'm done waiting and seeing. I'm done listening to AMD's lies. The facts are this:

1) AMD's freesync demo only worked because their laptops used the eDP interface. eDP is not used in desktop monitors.
2) AMD's freesync requires displayport 1.3 according to several websites Their GPUs do not support DP 1.3. DP 1.3 is not even finalized yet, and probably won't be until this summer or fall of 2014. (edit: this isn't confirmed, but AMD was completely vague on whether DP 1.3 is required or not. I suspect that AMD doesn't even know or want to tell us)
3) AMD's freesync requires a controller in the monitor that is variable refresh aware. This is NO DIFFERENT THAN g-sync which has a module for the SAME REASON. AMD's marketing lied and told you it was free.
4) Based on #3: new monitor is not free. new controller is not free. This ignores the fact that DP 1.3 monitors will not be on market for all of 2014 in all likelihood.
5) Freesync is marketing type designed to take attention away from g-sync.
6) Lastly, g-sync was not announced until it was DONE. nvidia has monitor partners READY. G-sync monitors are ready. The release time frame is set. Nvidia has a plan to get it to market.
7) Meanwhile, AMD's lying, I mean, marketing department has zero monitor partners. They don't have a release time frame. They have no plan to market.

Do you see a difference here? Free-sync is marketing nonsense. Even the name alone, free-sync, is a spin of "g-sync". Marketing fluff. You keep waiting and seeing. I'm 99.9% sure free-sync won't happen in 2014, based on AMD's prior history of never delivering on promises. You can vilify nvidia all you want based on their pricing, but G-sync wasn't announced until it was done and ready. I don't particularly like nvidia the corporation, because they do charge a lot of money. But? They deliver on promises. They didn't tell us about g-sync until they had a plan. And on that note, g-sync is DONE RIGHT NOW. Free-sync? We have more questions than answers. It will not happen in 2014. This I can almost guarantee you.

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Way to get the thread locked biggrin.gif

Agreed, this thread needs to be locked because some people can't keep their emotions out of it. Just like so many other AMD, nVidia, Intel, and Windows threads... we should all be used to it by now, right?
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post #284 of 321
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play games and you'll realize that nvidia drivers are not any better or even worst than amd's. how can you stand installing and uninstalling driver for different games? lol

I've been using nvidia ever since switching from 7970CF and nvidia's drivers are better than AMD's. Nvidia doesn't have three year outstanding software bugs as AMD does, just look at they eyefinity issues that have existed since the 5870. Does AMD care? No. They will let the bugs persist for years on end. Giving consumers the middle finger.

Using SLI with nvidia, when I first started using it, I expected issues. Now nvidia isn't perfect by any means. But there is a night and day difference between nvidia's and AMD's software teams, with nvidia being far better at quickly squashing bugs without taking 2-3 years (as AMD does) and quickly releases mGPU profiles, 3d vision profiles, and features in general. The last feature that AMD added was MLAA in 2010. Meanwhile, nvidia added in the past 2 years:

-adaptive vsync
-driver AO
-driver FXAA
-downsampling
-monitor refresh overclocking
-shadow play

versus AMD

-MLAA in 2010.

Those are features that AMD added versus what nvidia added in the past 2 years. This is also ignoring the fact that CFX is not upgraded as much as SLI in terms of profiles. Most ubi games do NOT have profiles - AC: Brotherhood, AC2, AC: revalations, Splinger cell blacklist, I could go on here. Darksiders 1, darksiders 2, dead space 1-3, none of these games are crossfire supported. All are SLI supported.

So yeah. Like I said. When I went green, I expected multi GPU issues. Only it didn't happen. Now, nvidia isn't perfect, but they're a hell of a lot better than AMD in terms of software features and driver fixes. Meanwhile, like I said, AMD has driver issues for eyefinity that have not been fixed 2 years later. How pathetic is that?

So, the correlation here is that AMD is promising big things with free-sync. As a former AMD user, i've been there and done that. I know. AMD is full of crap when they promise things. I have 2 5870 paperweights in my closet to show for their empty lies and promises. So you can buy into AMD's free-sync marketing bullcrap. I won't.
Edited by xoleras - 1/12/14 at 5:05am
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Agreed, this thread needs to be locked because some people can't keep their emotions out of it. Just like so many other AMD, nVidia, Intel, and Windows threads... we should all be used to it by now, right?

I actually think we need to change this. If you can't express your views objectively you should get a cool down period. The current system just isn't working and the only way is stricter rules. We can't let eacother ruin this great community and our sometimes brilliant discussions. Something needs to change.
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I actually think we need to change this. If you can't express your views objectively you should get a cool down period. The current system just isn't working and the only way is stricter rules. We can't let eacother ruin this great community and our sometimes brilliant discussions. Something needs to change.

i have no problem with the thread - just xoleras who obviously does not play games.
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i have no problem with the thread - just xoleras who obviously does not play games.

Oh, you AMD fans can gang up on me all you want. Everything I posted is factual, and I assure you, i'm a PC gamer through and through. If I were a crypto coin miner, I would love AMD right now because I could avoid their significant driver and software problems in games. But I have better things to do than waste nearly 1000$ IN GPUs just to have issues. Which is what happened with 5870CF and 7970CF.

Like I said, nvidia isn't perfect. But one thing i've noticed is that they generally deliver on promises. Which is something AMD never does. So I was greatly amused when seeing the news about free-sync, and guess what? Like everything else AMD has done, it's full of half truth. You AMD fans eat it up though. Whatever. I've been there. I used to buy AMD GPUs. I used to listen to their half-truths. I now know better.

I used to actually begrudge nvidia for their pricing. But like I said. I want to enjoy gaming and I want to enjoy my GPu purchases. Not pull my hair out over issues. And crossfire eyefinity on 79xx and earlier cards STILL have issues. NOT FIXED. Years later. Yet you AMD guys will just completely ignore that and pretend AMD are saints. Pretend that they will deliver on their promises. And here they are promising the world again with free-sync. Go ahead and buy into the "great hope". Been there done that with eyefinity CF, HD3D, among many other things. I know better than to trust them, but by all means you can trust them all you want.
Edited by xoleras - 1/12/14 at 5:42am
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Oh, you AMD fans can gang up all you want. Everything I posted is factual, and I assure you, i'm a PC gamer through and through. If I were a crypto coin miner, I would love AMD right now because I could avoid their significant driver and software problems in games. But I have better things to do than waste nearly 1000$ IN GPUs just to have issues. Which is what happened with 5870CF and 7970CF.

Like I said, nvidia isn't perfect. But one thing i've noticed is that they generally deliver on promises. Which is something AMD never does. So I was greatly amused when seeing the news about free-sync, and guess what? Like everything else AMD has done, it's full of half truth. You AMD fans eat it up though. Whatever. I've been there. I used to buy AMD GPUs. I used to listen to their half-truths. I now know better.

play BF4, BF3, C3, FC3 , , , using the same driver. go play.
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play BF4, BF3, C3, FC3 , , , using the same driver. go play.

I always use the latest beta or WHQL driver with no issues, and I do own all of those games. I'm not even sure what your point here is, throwing out vague nonsense about drivers just to deflect from AMD's software issues? Get a grip man. You're really reaching here. And BF4 is just broken right now, maybe i'll give that a try later but with EA/DICE putting everything on hold to fix bugs in BF4, you know that BF4 is in beta status right now. But all of those other games ran just fine for me. You just keep playing games here and throwing out vague issues. I have not had software or driver issues since switching to NV. But had significant issues with AMD especially with eyefinity and crossfire. By the way, AMD acknowledges these issues. Only they haven't fixed them 3 years later for 5870 CF and up.

All of the software issues I pointed out with AMD have been acknowledged and admitted by them. Especially the eyefinity issues. Like I said, nvidia isn't perfect, but I haven't had problems at all since going green whereas AMD was just nonstop problems, especially with surround.

Something I find funny. AMD admits to crossfire-eyefinity having tearing and microstutter on 79xx and 280X / prior cards. They admitted this in 2012. Have they fixed it yet? No. They said they would fix it fall 2012. Did that happen? No. Then they said January 2014. Will that happen? I bet it won't. They just had a marketing slide at CES that stated it will be fixed "Q1 2014".

That's what AMD is all about. The waiting game. Wait for this fix. Wait for free-sync. Wait for our crossfire eyefinity fix (3 years later). Wait for HD3D. Yawn. I know better than to play AMD's waiting game. If you're happy with AMD's waiting game, though, have at it.
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That's why I use a single card. Plenty of power and 0 issues so far <3
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