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Originally Posted by Mookster View Post

From the way it's described, it'll do exactly what G-Sync does, and I'm sure AMD will work toward getting this into future monitors that have DP 1.3.

Like many, I'm not interested in getting another 1080p or 1440p monitor just for something like G-Sync. The next step is 4K, and I don't intend on using one of the make-shift methods of connection so I'll be waiting for DP 1.3 anyway. Most people will fall into this catagory.

G-Sync is great, but I wouldn't say it's revolutionary. It's falls in the same category as bridgeless Crossfire (and therein, the elimination of microstutter) for me.

you wouldnt say its revolutionary, but people in the industry DO say that. and sorry dude, but there is no way that bridgeless crossfire is even close to gsync in terms of what it does for gaming.
post #32 of 321
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Originally Posted by senna89 View Post

And what are the monitors with ufficial support to DP 1.3 ?

No one knows. Odds are, none unless they JUST came out within the past month, and then, only MAYBE.

But as has been said many times before, just because it has Display Port 1.3 (unofficial or not), DOESN'T MEAN that it will work. The monitor has to have a custom ASIC inside it that isn't required for DP1.3 and AMD has to release an update to their cards, which they haven't.

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Originally Posted by Mookster View Post

From the way it's described, it'll do exactly what G-Sync does, and I'm sure AMD will work toward getting this into future monitors that have DP 1.3.

See above. Just because you have DP1.3, doesn't mean this will work. Just like G-Sync, the monitor has to have an ASIC that will support this.


http://techreport.com/news/25878/nvidia-responds-to-amd-free-sync-demo
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That, Petersen explained, is why Nvidia decided to create its G-Sync module, which replaces the scaler ASIC with logic of Nvidia's own creation. To his knowledge, no scaler ASIC with variable refresh capability exists—and if it did, he said, "we would know." Nvidia's intent in building the G-Sync module was to enable this capability and thus to nudge the industry in the right direction.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Variable-Refresh-FreeSync-Could-Be-Alternative-NVIDIA-G-Sync
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To be clear, just because a monitor would run with DisplayPort 1.3 doesn't guarantee this feature would work. It also requires the controller on the display to understand and be compatible with the variable refresh portions of the spec

Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 1/8/14 at 8:56am
post #33 of 321
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Originally Posted by Mookster View Post

From the way it's described, it'll do exactly what G-Sync does, and I'm sure AMD will work toward getting this into future monitors that have DP 1.3.

Like many, I'm not interested in getting another 1080p or 1440p monitor just for something like G-Sync. The next step is 4K, and I don't intend on using one of the make-shift methods of connection so I'll be waiting for DP 1.3 anyway. Most people will fall into this catagory.

G-Sync is great, but I wouldn't say it's revolutionary. It's falls in the same category as bridgeless Crossfire (and therein, the elimination of microstutter) for me.

I can, fairly confidently, say that most people are NOT waiting for a 4k monitor and most certainly are not holding out on a new version of Display Port.....

I'd be surprise if even 50 people here were really waiting.....for what could be a $800+ TN monitor.
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post #34 of 321
I suggest you guys read the story at PCPer. Free-sync requires a logic controller board embedded into the monitor, and this is NOT part of the DP 1.3 standard that is still being worked on. DP 1.3 is also not finalized.

AMD's free-sync is doing the same thing G-sync does. It requires a control logic board to be implemented in monitors.

In any case, I find it quite hilarious that people bought AMD's marketing hook line and sinker. They had their gullible fanbase thinking that they would get a g-sync alternative imminently. And for free. If it requires DP 1.3 (which doesn't exist yet) and a monitor controller logic board, it aint free. AMD's marketing works wonders into misleading gullible fans though, If I do say so myself.
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From PCPer:
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To be clear, just because a monitor would run with DisplayPort 1.3 doesn't guarantee this feature would work. It also requires the controller on the display to understand and be compatible with the variable refresh portions of the spec, which with eDP 1.0 at least, isn't required. AMD is hoping that with the awareness they are building with stories like this display designers will actually increase the speed of DP 1.3 adoption and include support for variable refresh rate with them. That would mean an ecosystem of monitors that could potentially support variable speed refresh on both AMD and NVIDIA cards. All that would be needed on the PC side is a software update for both Radeon and GeForce graphics cards.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Variable-Refresh-FreeSync-Could-Be-Alternative-NVIDIA-G-Sync

That's pretty hilarious. AMD marketers told everyone free sync would be free. Instead, it uses a controller board on the monitor just like g-sync does. AND it requires DP1.3.

Displayport 1.3 isn't finalized yet. Good luck finding free-sync in 2014, it won't happen. Maybe 2015. But this is AMD we're talking about. I'm betting free-sync will never happen.
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From PCPer:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Variable-Refresh-FreeSync-Could-Be-Alternative-NVIDIA-G-Sync

That's pretty hilarious. AMD marketers told everyone free sync would be free. Instead, it uses a controller board on the monitor just like g-sync does. AND it requires DP1.3.

Displayport 1.3 isn't finalized yet. Good luck finding free-sync in 2014, it won't happen. Maybe 2015. But this is AMD we're talking about. I'm betting free-sync will never happen.

i would like to shake your hand.

this, however, wont change the minds of AMD posters in these threads.
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Then the commercial monitor produtcs with FreeSynch support not exist yet.
Support to the tecnology is required like Gsynch.

I Thinked Free Synch was supported by all monitors, almost the modern models, another epic fail by AMD. mad.gif

I am a Nvidia fanboy and this is not a fail at all. I am sure AMD will be pushing several displayport 1.3 models of desktop monitors mid-late this year. I am unsure if the 290 series has a 1.3 port though...
    
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I am a Nvidia fanboy and this is not a fail at all. I am sure AMD will be pushing several displayport 1.3 models of desktop monitors mid-late this year. I am unsure if the 290 series has a 1.3 port though...

Except you are missing something VERY key here.

Display Port 1.3 isn't under the control of AMD. The people that control the specification owe no allegiance to AMD to make what AMD *WANTS*.

Display Port is just one PART of the whole equation too ... as has been said many times. That is just the cable that connects the video card to the monitor.

You will STILL NEED an ASIC in the monitor to get the monitor to do what AMD wants.

So far, it doesn't appear that ANY non-laptop monitor has an ASIC that will do that.

It also appears that AMD hasn't reached out and made any deals with the monitor manufacturers to make this custom ASIC. That is why nVidia made their own ASIC and worked with monitor companies. nVidia fronted the lions share of the COST to develop and produce this. AMD so far appears to be relying on the mercy of monitor companies to come up with this ASIC and make it standard.

Either way, G-Sync or the way that AMD is approaching things, do do EITHER will cost SOMEONE money. Ultimately the end user will PAY for it. NOTHING is free ... regardless what AMD tells you.
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

Nope. 290 and 290X do not have DP 1.3.

I find it really hilarious that AMD's faithful actually believed the marketing behind this though. I give free-sync less than 1% chance of actually hitting the market in 2014. AMD's marketing had their fans hook line and sinker though. They thought that a free g-sync alternative that didn't require a monitor logic board would be coming soon. Turns out that AMD's solution requires a monitor logic board as well. That's the hilarious irony of this whole thing - AMD calls it "free-sync" as a cheap shot at nvidia. Turns out it isn't free. That won't change the minds of AMD's faithful herd though. They don't really care when AMD's marketing lies to them, they love it.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Variable-Refresh-FreeSync-Could-Be-Alternative-NVIDIA-G-Sync

Everyone should read that. Free-sync requires new monitors with DP 1.3. With a CONTROLLER LOGIC BOARD.
Hello? This is exactly what nvidia is doing. Except theirs doesn't require DP 1.3. DP 1.3 isn't even finalized and may not be finalized until the end of this year. G-sync is also ready now. Free-sync? Good luck finding it in 2014 at all.

Whatever though. AMD fans love AMD's deceptive marketing, even when they outright get lied to. I used to listen to AMD's crap when I owned 7970s. I now know better. After being promised so many things that never came to fruition, I finally came to my senses and realized that AMD was full of crap. What they say and what they do are two different things - free-sync is a prime example of just that.


I think you missed the point. They are basically saying nvidia is releasing a free technology, giving it a fancy new name and making it proprietary and charging people for the privilege. I honestly don't know how you missed that but yeah. Enjoy your g-sync.
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I can see from this thread there is a lot of confusion on how this is going to work, Knucklehead made a few solid points, as did Xoleras. I will do my best to kind of sum up the G-Sync vs FreeSync thing, and throw in my $0.02.

G-Sync: Requires Nvidia 600 series or newer cards, major panel manufacturers on-board and putting product to market. They are also selling a DIY kit so you can add G-Sync to your display, if supported, without buying a new display. Many heads of the industry have said it is revolutionary. In the end it requires a GPU that supports it and an ASIC in the display that supports it!

Summary....
  • Being brought to market
  • Older panels have potential to be retrofit to support it
  • Has been seen in person by many
  • Works





FreeSync: "Works" off an standard, DisplayPort 1.3, which hasn't even been finalized. Of which unfinished standard it uses a feature not required for the standard to be set. In other words, DP 1.3 could be standardized without the VBlank feature as part of it. In the end it requires a GPU, Display, Connection, Drivers, and ASIC; none of which are even on the market currently!

Summary....

  • Only a concept right now.
  • Would require new monitor with new ASIC in it.
  • Requires a standard to be finalized that actually supports it.
  • No partners are known to currently be supporting it.
  • AMD doesn't even support it right now, and they are the ones pushing it.


This is nothing more than AMD trying to take some G-Sync thunder, which is an expected move in business. Unfortunately AMD is so far behind on this, they are in the early concept stage, and Nvidia is at market with their products.
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I think you missed the point. They are basically saying nvidia is releasing a free technology, giving it a fancy new name and making it proprietary and charging people for the privilege. I honestly don't know how you missed that but yeah. Enjoy your g-sync.

The technologies aren't the same.
    
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