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One man's argument is another's biased crap.

You can freely believe in conspiracy theories then I guess.
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You can freely believe in conspiracy theories then I guess.

So are you going to get a G-SYNC monitor?
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So are you going to get a G-SYNC monitor?

I would consider it, but I am going for an 290, because of best price/perf. I did have a GTX 770, but wasn't impressed at all to be honest. I did try all the new features like ShadowPlay etc, but they are pretty useless for my needs, unfortunately.
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Third bolded: They have been delivering and doing the job better than Nvidia.

Proof positive that it is coming for the remainder. All that is left is DX9. But most of the fixes already in they now perform better than Nvidia. XDMA (if I have the acronym right) is the best solution and it is in AMDs hands.

I just want to point out the hilarity of your statement. You realize that tearing and microstuttering in crossfire/eyefinity on 280X / 79xx and prior cards has existed ever since the 5870? Their fix for the 5870 was get a MST hub to fix the tearing. that only fixed the tearing and not the microstutter. And MST hubs didn't hit the market until 2013, and only in Europe via Club 3D at that. So, essentially, tearing and microstuttering in CF-eyefinity was never fixed on the 5870. AMD's support told me to get a MST hub that didn't appear on the market for 3 years after the fact. And only in Europe - what's funny though is that EVGA just released a MST hub in December. EVGA the nvidia vendor. Quite ironic.

This problem re-surfaced with both Cayman and Tahiti, and still is a problem with both DX9 and crossfire-eyefinity on 280X and 79xx and prior cards. This bug was admitted to by AMD in 2012 after numerous websites pestered them over microstuttering. They fixed single screen resolutions in late 2012 IIRC, but crossfire eyefinity and DX9 tearing/microstuttering is not fixed.

So let's review. This bug has existed since 2010. It existed with the 5870 , 6970, and 7970, and exists with 280X and all earlier cards. This problem has existed since day one of the 7970 CF (which I owned), and despite numerous support tickets, with AMD promising one fix after another, it never happened. AMD said they would issue a fix in early 2013. Did that happen? No. Then they said, fall 2013. Did that happen? No. Then they said, January 2014. Will that happen? I doubt it but we'll see. Now they have a marketing slide, that you linked, stating Q1 2014.

Let's look at this here. Software / driver bug that existed since 2009 with the 5870 that still exists. A four year bug that has been outstanding, and AMD has promised fixes for four years straight. Only they didn't fix it. Still haven't fixed it. Crossfire eyefinity still has tearing and microstuttering, as does DX9. And you're going to tell me that they're doing a better job than nvidia. Sorry, that's just hilarious. Nvidia has had hardware frame pacing since Fermi and this has not been an issue at ALL on the nvidia side, while AMD has had this problem for four years straight. And they promised driver fixes for years. And they didn't deliver. I guess AMD's fix is to buy 290X cards, which don't have the problem. So they'll let you buy new hardware to fix it, while they leave 7970 and 280X and all old card owners high and dry. AMD will give those users the middle finger.

That's the common theme here. AMD doesn't deliver. Sure, they'll promise the world to you just like they're promising with free-sync. But will you be able to get free-sync in 2014? I'm 99.9% sure the answer is no because AMD never delivers when they say they will.
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No problems here with two 1200MHz Titans. wink.gif
 
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I would consider it, but I am going for an 290, because of best price/perf. I did have a GTX 770, but wasn't impressed at all to be honest. I did try all the new features like ShadowPlay etc, but they are pretty useless for my needs, unfortunately.

Wasn't planning on ever buying another monitor but this sounds too good to pass up.

I wonder if G-SYNC will help alleviate game sickness?
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Wasn't planning on ever buying another monitor but this sounds too good to pass up.

I wonder if G-SYNC will help alleviate game sickness?

Possibly, too bad it will cost 200€. Even if I had Nvidia, I don't think I could justify the extra price over a regular monitor
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Personally, I think the g-sync upgrade module is too much, I don't disagree. 200$ on top of the already 300$ VG248QE? No thanks. But it's expected to be expensive since it was a rushed FPGA solution - it will be cheaper in the future when it becomes an ASIC based solution. I think some of the other monitors announced for release in Q1 2014 are using ASIC based g-sync modules instead of the FPGA. But I do like the 799$ 1440p 120hz G-sync panel that was just intro'ed by Asus, that is likely the one that I will buy. It's also the first 1440p panel to officially support 120hz to my knowledge.
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Personally, I think the g-sync upgrade module is too much, I don't disagree. 200$ on top of the already 300$ VG248QE? No thanks. But it's expected to be expensive since it was a rushed FPGA solution - it will be cheaper in the future when it becomes an ASIC based solution. I think some of the other monitors announced for release in Q1 2014 are using ASIC based g-sync modules instead of the FPGA. But I do like the 799$ 1440p 120hz G-sync panel that was just intro'ed by Asus, that is likely the one that I will buy. It's also the first 1440p panel to officially support 120hz to my knowledge.

If they removed the G-Sync and made the price about 400 € I would buy it without a doubt, but at 800$ nah biggrin.gif
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Yeah. G-sync costs too much right now, but I do think the 1440p 120hz panel seems somewhat reasonable, i'm hoping g-sync lowers in price over time. I welcome the "free" alternative, I don't think it will happen in 2014. They (AMD) just don't have anything lined up right now in terms of a specific time frame and monitor manufacturers. Yeah, I don't like AMD right now based on past issues and you will call me the nvidia fanboy, but, I did give AMD tons of money over the years just to be disappointed time and time again. Especially as a crossfire and eyefinity user. Their software support for crossfire and eyefinity, especially with Tahiti, was straight bunk.

Maybe they should just fire most of their marketing staff and replace that money with actual software engineers....I would love it if that happened.
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