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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

From PCPer:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Variable-Refresh-FreeSync-Could-Be-Alternative-NVIDIA-G-Sync

That's pretty hilarious. AMD marketers told everyone free sync would be free. Instead, it uses a controller board on the monitor just like g-sync does. AND it requires DP1.3.

Displayport 1.3 isn't finalized yet. Good luck finding free-sync in 2014, it won't happen. Maybe 2015. But this is AMD we're talking about. I'm betting free-sync will never happen.
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All that is needed for this to work, as AMD explained it, was an eDP connection between the discrete GPU and the display, a controller for the screen that understands the variable refresh rate methods of eDP 1.0 specifications and an updated AMD driver to properly send it the signals.

Sooo all you need is a special displayport connection on a special controller board....

Oh lookie what he gots in his hand. A special controller board with a display port connection




But all this special equipment for free AMD you say?
Oh isn't that convinent, Asus' just released a monitor that has said special controller board with a displayport connection for free. They're just charging a bit more for 120hz @ 1440p. wink.gif
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post #52 of 321
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What don't you get? AMD have no intention of paying for and producing or going into a partnership for a g sync like module!! They want the manufacturers of the monitors to implement it for everyone. AMD cards are already capable of doing g sync , it's the monitor that's the limiting factor. So IF it does happen, yes it will be FREE!! How can so much of this sort of stuff be posted with all you guys just egging each other on with no care for the facts?? Lol.

What don't you get?

Free-sync requires added hardware on monitors. Which consumers will be charged for.

Free-sync requires DP 1.3, a standard that isn't even finalized.

Free-sync requires the VBlank feature of DP 1.3 to be in the final standard.

VBlank is not even required for the final standard of DP 1.3, it is completely optional.

This whole thing is AMD going, HurrDurr monitor manufacturers, put a piece of hardware in your monitor that doesn't exist, to use a non-critical feature of a not-final spec that our hardware doesn't support.
Oh yeah, you'll sell more monitors, we promise. And we're not going to pay you to do this either
It is a blatant marketing stunt that is completely false at every point. It is an expected action after your competitor is getting kudos for bringing something to market that is well received though.
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post #53 of 321
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Originally Posted by Zed03 View Post

Passive? Active? What are you even talking about?

It doesn't matter if the refresh rate is controlled by a monitor's ASIC by implementing the VESA / DP 1.3 standard or by NVidia's ASIC by implementing their own standard. Both are going to achieve the same result.

The end result is, one is free but requires initiative from panel manufacturers and thus will come later. The other requires initiative from NVidia (which they have) and thus will come first, but will be premium.

What he's talking about is even if AMD implements variable frames, you are at the mercy at what kind of controller the monitor manufacturer puts into the monitor. Unless they put the BEST hardware, you are going to get INPUT LAG. That is why Nvidia decided to put the extra hardware in there to give you the best experience possible.
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post #54 of 321
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I can see from this thread there is a lot of confusion on how this is going to work, Knucklehead made a few solid points, as did Xoleras. I will do my best to kind of sum up the G-Sync vs FreeSync thing, and throw in my $0.02.

G-Sync: Requires Nvidia 600 series or newer cards, major panel manufacturers on-board and putting product to market. They are also selling a DIY kit so you can add G-Sync to your display, if supported, without buying a new display. Many heads of the industry have said it is revolutionary. In the end it requires a GPU that supports it and an ASIC in the display that supports it!

Summary....
  • Being brought to market
  • Older panels have potential to be retrofit to support it
  • Has been seen in person by many
  • Works


FreeSync: "Works" off an standard, DisplayPort 1.3, which hasn't even been finalized. Of which unfinished standard it uses a feature not required for the standard to be set. In other words, DP 1.3 could be standardized without the VBlank feature as part of it. In the end it requires a GPU, Display, Connection, Drivers, and ASIC; none of which are even on the market currently!

Summary....

  • Only a concept right now.
  • Would require new monitor with new ASIC in it.
  • Requires a standard to be finalized that actually supports it.
  • No partners are known to currently be supporting it.
  • AMD doesn't even support it right now, and they are the ones pushing it.


This is nothing more than AMD trying to take some G-Sync thunder, which is an expected move in business. Unfortunately AMD is so far behind on this, they are in the early concept stage, and Nvidia is at market with their products.
The technologies aren't the same.

Well said, the main difference is that one solution is a product you can buy now and use, the other(s) are a proof of concept which are not real products. There is no point in worrying about what "may be" when you have something right now that "is".
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Passive? Active? What are you even talking about?

It doesn't matter if the refresh rate is controlled by a monitor's ASIC by implementing the VESA / DP 1.3 standard or by NVidia's ASIC by implementing their own standard. Both are going to achieve the same result.

The end result is, one is free but requires initiative from panel manufacturers and thus will come later. The other requires initiative from NVidia (which they have) and thus will come first, but will be premium.
ASIC scaler is not made for do this job ! And AMD show FreeSynch only with notebook, desktop monitor is different !
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lol amd marketing team flops again go figure.


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post #57 of 321
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Nvidia is charging for G-Sync? AFAIK, they're really not.

Buy a monitor with G-Sync and it'll work today....

I don't see where Nvidia is charging for it?

There is an added cost for the custom ASIC controller that is needed. SOMEONE has to pay for that added hardware. Ultimately it is the end user when they buy a system. Is it an added cost to the video card? Nope. Will it add cost to the monitor? Yup.

So if nVidia wanted to LIE like AMD is, they can say that G-Sync is free too. Because THEY (ie nVidia or AMD) aren't charging for the ability to use these new technologies ... the "greedy monitor companies" are. wink.gif

I made my comment a little absurd just to stand out. But bottom line is SOMEONE has to pay for an ASIC in the monitor, but only AMD is smug enough to try to rub nVidia's nose in the reality of living in a world where features cost money and called it "FreeSync" ... to try to mock the costs that are involved and to try to make nVidia look like the bad guy.

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Originally Posted by Syan48306 View Post

What he's talking about is even if AMD implements variable frames, you are at the mercy at what kind of controller the monitor manufacturer puts into the monitor. Unless they put the BEST hardware, you are going to get INPUT LAG. That is why Nvidia decided to put the extra hardware in there to give you the best experience possible.

Yup. And since they developed and control the technology, it will be the same experience across all monitor platforms, and not subject to "low bidder" from China making a garbage ASIC.

There are pro's and con's to the method that nVidia went with, but from where I sit, there are more pro's than con's.

AMD's method relies on standards that they don't control for the interface (and could very well NOT be made a standard), and monitor makers to develop and use an ASIC that can vary from monitor to monitor and manufacturer to manufacturer, and AMD will have no control over.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 1/8/14 at 11:41am
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Can AMD just stop trolling people? lol
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post


Also, your "If it made such....Nvidia would have done it" is such a lame argument! I can't even argue with that kind of thinking......
It was just live demoed at CES yesterday, and on the CES floor it is playable. Just because YOU didn't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What kind of logic do you use?
NO, we dont saw anythings.
And AMD spoke about "UP TO 45%", not averange.
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Originally Posted by szeged View Post

lol amd marketing team flops again go figure.



Unfortunately, they're not flopping. Actually it's very clever. They're stealing Nvidia's thunder when they really have nothing more than a proof a concept and the they're giving consumers A LOT of false hope that this may be implemented in the same way G-Sync will be in the future. Clever marketing IMO, just dirty and underhanded though.
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