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Except you are missing something VERY key here.

Display Port 1.3 isn't under the control of AMD. The people that control the specification owe no allegiance to AMD to make what AMD *WANTS*.

Display Port is just one PART of the whole equation too ... as has been said many times. That is just the cable that connects the video card to the monitor.

You will STILL NEED an ASIC in the monitor to get the monitor to do what AMD wants.

So far, it doesn't appear that ANY non-laptop monitor has an ASIC that will do that.

It also appears that AMD hasn't reached out and made any deals with the monitor manufacturers to make this custom ASIC. That is why nVidia made their own ASIC and worked with monitor companies. nVidia fronted the lions share of the COST to develop and produce this. AMD so far appears to be relying on the mercy of monitor companies to come up with this ASIC and make it standard.

Either way, G-Sync or the way that AMD is approaching things, do do EITHER will cost SOMEONE money. Ultimately the end user will PAY for it. NOTHING is free ... regardless what AMD tells you.

I see, this does make sense. hmm Nvidia = love, unless mantle adds 20 more frames for games that support I still love Nvidia.
    
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There is an added cost for the custom ASIC controller that is needed. SOMEONE has to pay for that added hardware. Ultimately it is the end user when they buy a system. Is it an added cost to the video card? Nope. Will it add cost to the monitor? Yup.

So if nVidia wanted to LIE like AMD is, they can say that G-Sync is free too. Because THEY (ie nVidia or AMD) aren't charging for the ability to use these new technologies ... the "greedy monitor companies" are. wink.gif

I made my comment a little absurd just to stand out. But bottom line is SOMEONE has to pay for an ASIC in the monitor, but only AMD is smug enough to try to rub nVidia's nose in the reality of living in a world where features cost money and called it "FreeSync" ... to try to mock the costs that are involved and to try to make nVidia look like the bad guy.

Well it depends how you look at it. Nvidia and AMD should have been applying more pressure to monitor manufacturers to implement this as a standard for FREE for a long time, but it seems AMD have got interested in pushing a little harder since Nvidia are going to be making money off it now. It seems AMD now don't want to make money off it.. as that ship has sailed, they just want to stop Nvidia making money off it.

You can look at it and say "nvidia have been underhanded in taking something that should be free and not really the responsibility of gpu manufacturers and turning it into proprietary hardware and charging for it" or you can look at it and say "Nvidia have been innovative and created a solution for a problem that existed" . I think both are right personally, i just hope all monitors start coming out with this in mind in the near future. G-sync isn't a deal breaker for me as i never see tearing, but if it's a choice between having it or not having it for free i would rather have it.
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I see, this does make sense. hmm Nvidia = love, unless mantle adds 20 more frames for games that support I still love Nvidia.

I know I'm a dreamer, but ...

I hope AMD will work with nVidia and make Mantle take advantage of 600 and 700 series nVidia cards.
I hope nVidia will make G-Sync available to AMD and either card can take advantage of the new monitors that are already being produced with G-Sync (both 1440p and even 4K).

That would ultimately be the best for the end user ... US!
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Unfortunately, they're not flopping. Actually it's very clever. They're stealing Nvidia's thunder when they really have nothing more than a proof a concept and the they're giving consumers A LOT of false hope that this may be implemented in the same way G-Sync will be in the future. Clever marketing IMO, just dirty and underhanded though.

whats clever about lying about stuff they cant really do?


free this free that free this!

and by free we mean you have to buy expensive stuff that isnt even released yet.


BUT ITS FREE AFTER YOU PAY FOR IT!
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Well it depends how you look at it. Nvidia and AMD should have been applying more pressure to monitor manufacturers to implement this as a standard for FREE for a long time, but it seems AMD have got interested in pushing a little harder since Nvidia are going to be making money off it now. It seems AMD now don't want to make money off it.. as that ship has sailed, they just want to stop Nvidia making money off it.

Yeah but they're deceiving customers when they're saying it will be FREE and widespread. Monitor manufacturers will most defintely charge extra for this feature, if anything just to charge a bit more just because. Most likely it'll require special equipment. Because AMD has no plans to make anything themselves they're giving customers the illusion that they're getting it for free when they're really not.
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whats clever about lying about stuff they cant really do?


free this free that free this!

and by free we mean you have to buy expensive stuff that isnt even released yet.


BUT ITS FREE AFTER YOU PAY FOR IT!

To be fair, they never mentioned monitors, and they demo'd it on a laptop screen. If you had that same configuration today, you get it for free.
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so constraining people to laptops is the same as offering desktop gamers gsnyc monitors?


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so much for " gsnyc is for nvidia, freesync is for everyone!"
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NVidia will charge monitor manufacturers to license their propriety gsync standard.
AMD says they will support an open standard.

There is nothing preventing NVidia from ALSO supporting the open standard, in addition to milking their own closed gsync standard.

The AMD solution is better for the consumer and manufacturer.
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What don't you get? AMD have no intention of paying for and producing or going into a partnership for a g sync like module!! They want the manufacturers of the monitors to implement it for everyone. AMD cards are already capable of doing g sync , it's the monitor that's the limiting factor. So IF it does happen, yes it will be FREE!! How can so much of this sort of stuff be posted with all you guys just egging each other on with no care for the facts?? Lol.
So they talk about it so monitor devs make it with their own costs and then getting hailed for "giving it to everyone for free" Underhanded tactic much lol. Anyway they might could have done this a couple years ago before Gsync was out. The chance of monitor companies to develop their own stuff when there is one presented by Nvdia is close to nill.
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The chance of monitor companies to develop their own stuff when there is one presented by Nvdia is close to nill.


I think if g-sync is successful and the monitor company's can make more for themselves out of going it alone they will do it. Look how interested AMD have become since the interest in g-sync.
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