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Hi there, my current rig needs a few upgrades but as ive been out of the pc market for a while I dont really know what im looking at anymore and I was hoping someone on here could help me out, my current rig consists of

CPU - AMD Phenom II x6 1075t
PSU - 750w venom PSU
GPU - R9 280X XFX 3GB (this was a recent purchase)
SSD - 60gb corsair SSD
HDD- TB Seagate
MainBoard - ASRock 960GC - GS FX, 780G chipset

I am looking to play some of the latest games such as battlefield 4, Dayz, crysis etc and its just not quite cutting it at the moment. Also if anyone could point out an obvious bottleneck so I could see what I need to get most that would be awesome. Anyway, I appreciate any replies I might get thank you for reading smile.gif p.s my budget isnt a specific number I just want to upgrade the worst things im more interested about what it is thats letting my pc down

Thank you for all of the replies guys youve been very helpful! didnt expect to get anything if im honest, one other thing i might add is that ive been trying to overclock my cpu for a while now but i just cant seem to get it stable i was wondering if anyone might be able to help me with that too? sorry if im being a total noob i just think that if im going to stick with my current cpu then i should try and get the most i can out of it biggrin.gif
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Which brand psu?which budget?
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For 300usd is better to hold and save more money for skylake. It will use ddr4 and it will released in 2015,that cpu is enough.btw is that psu an akasa??
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You can change CPU+MoBo, for what purpose do you want to upgrade?? gaming?? If yes then better go for FX-83xx and ASUS 990FX Sabertooth R2.0 (Crosshair-V Fromula-Z is just not worth the money you put in) since you're already familiar with AMD it won't be a problem for you to even overclock these chips and this they do very well (great OC potential in these FX).

Or you can wait for a week or two and build a Kaveri APU (A10-7850k) system, that'll be damn attractive!
If you plan to go for Intel then beware, you may not be able to use HSA, hUMA. These are guaranteed to give you a noticeable performance gain in gaming and applications utilizing data-parallel workloads. In this case you may go for any FM2+ MoBo+A10-7850k, you'll be happy with this system for atleast next 3-4 years since HSA and Mantle are increasingly gaining popularity.
    
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^I wouldn't go 7850k unless HSA and stuff hits off, as that will just decrease performance in most regards. Honestly your setup is fine, I would just hold on till ddr4, and see how prices and products from AMD and Intel are shaping up then. thumb.gif
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But, I should have added, if you REALLY want a performance boost now, grab a 4770k/4670k and decent board, that should work awesome biggrin.gif
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It highly depends on 'For what is he upgrading?', if gaming then even an i5-2500k or even a non-k is more than enough. Since all frostbite-games and possibly many others from EA are going on with mantle the gaming performance would entirely be GPU dependent, Mantle offloads everything to GPU and handles it at a very low-level of abstraction reducing the overhead of high-level api and thus giving a noticeable performance gain.
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But, I should have added, if you REALLY want a performance boost now, grab a 4770k/4670k and decent board, that should work awesome biggrin.gif
You can go with i5-2500k/3570k/4670k if you want only mantle without HSA/hUMA
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^I wouldn't go 7850k unless HSA and stuff hits off, as that will just decrease performance in most regards. Honestly your setup is fine, I would just hold on till ddr4, and see how prices and products from AMD and Intel are shaping up then. thumb.gif
HSA is already hitting off. It doesn't take time for software developers to adapt to new technologies, and HSA is new technology but for developers its just an extension to what they have already been using, C++.
Also, what will OP do when HSA enable applications start to show-up?? Does he buy a new processor?? Why not buy a processor now which has HSA/hUMA enabled. Moreover, i5 as well as 7850k are quad-core processors (with i5 having higher IPC).
    
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HSA is already hitting off. It doesn't take time for software developers to adapt to new technologies, and HSA is new technology but for developers its just an extension to what they have already been using, C++.
Also, what will OP do when HSA enable applications start to show-up?? Does he buy a new processor?? Why not buy a processor now which has HSA/hUMA enabled. Moreover, i5 as well as 7850k are quad-core processors (with i5 having higher IPC).

Look I don't want to start an argument, but think of it this way. In raw ipc and multi-threading, the 7850k loses to his Thuban. He could take the risk and be ready for games that work well with HSA, but it could take a while before that is really a standard in the gaming scene, and overall even if games quickly start to take advantage of hsa, he is still losing performance in the majority of games, as there is no way every single game uses it and uses it well right after the 7850k debuts.

OP, if you want to upgrade, I vote you do one of 3 options:

1. Buy a used 2500k/2600k/3570k/3770k and Z77 mobo
2. Buy into Haswell(should stay gaming able for years to come)
3. Stay put and wait for DDR4, if you play mostly games like Battlefield the upcoming mantle API should help you stay current until then thumb.gif

(but please don't listen to him about the 7850k, it will most likely be a performance hit in most titles compared to your thuban, wait till reviews come out to see if it's single threaded performance is significantly better. If not, pretend it doesn't exist)
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Look I don't want to start an argument, but think of it this way
Argument?? c'mon, its just my point of view not a call for war, but still if you feel that way then I must apologize you.
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In raw ipc and multi-threading, the 7850k loses to his Thuban. He could take the risk and be ready for games that work well with HSA, but it could take a while before that is really a standard in the gaming scene, and overall even if games quickly start to take advantage of HSA, he is still losing performance in the majority of games, as there is no way every single game uses it and uses it well right after the 7850k debuts.
Definitely true, how can quad-core beat a 6-core, and the phenom II was pretty awesome. For multithreaded performance you can opt for i7/8350, APU isn't for highly threaded tasks like compression/decompression, encryption/decryption, video editing/trans-coding etc, for these any i7 or FX-83xx is great choice.
True, no game now or even in next 4-6 months is heard of being HSA enabled, can it be patched latter on to enable HSA on APU's?? No idea. Waiting for HSA is what is annoying, no one is able to decide on their next upgrade plan for gaming.

option 1 & 2 by LordOfTots are good if you want better performance on CPU side, though gaming won't reflect an upgrade, since gpu is the same and is well enough for most games. Instead of option 3 you'd better wait for the next APU series that would completely support HSA, since even 7850k is not 100% optimized for HSA (marketing of future APU tongue.gif). How much performance increase is expected out of DDR4 on i5/i7 supporting it?? It will be a noticeable gain but still, performance gains for higher clocked RAM are much more magnified on APUs, so if within a few months of Intel's DDR4 processors if there is any DDR4 APU then that would be a better option, but I don't think OP would want to wait so long.
I think his rig is still very goood for gaming, CPU won't bottleneck the GPU, but if OP wants better CPU performance then i7/FX-83xx thumb.gif
    
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Argument?? c'mon, its just my point of view not a call for war, but still if you feel that way then I must apologize you.
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Oh don't worry, I just get paranoid on this forum, people love to argue here tongue.gif but yeah it's all good

You seem to have a lot more faith in these APU's than I do, and my rig was setup to be Kaveri ready biggrin.gif
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