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Hi everybody... This is going to be my 1st PC.

Some backgrounds about me:
I decided to buy a PC fr myself around the middle of december. I know my way around software but i was a notebook user and i couldn't tell left from right regarding what PC components does what and which ones suits my needs. Extensively googling for the past 3 weeks, and now i'm going to buy the PC on next tuesday or wednesday but i still need a bit of a help regarding some parts.

The PC aim :
1) Quiet Computing
=> My first aim is for the PC to be as quiet as possible that it could be within my budget. I don't need complete silent since realistically i have a limited budget, but i need quiet because the PC will be on some nights of the week for uploading, and my internet speed is inadequate, have to leave it on all night if i want to upload stuff.

2) Last minimum 4 years to 5 years in terms of performance
=> Other than the graphic cards (which i probably will upgrade every 18 months), i want PC components that would offer enough performance and most importantly reliabilities to be alive and stretch it out for minimum 4 years to 5 years, or even more.
Ofc i understand if i got a lemon then there's nothing to be done abt it but i'd like to minimize the probability of lemon goods by asking advice on what components has better build / inside / QC from your experience

3) Price to Performance ratio (very-very non priority)
=> i dont live in Northern America so while i'd love to get great deals on newegg / amazon i couldn't do that. choices of goods are limited also, so i will list the components and its price locally here. Maybe also give the online vendor URL where they list the choice of components (though not the stock).

So... The PC should ideally be quiet, reliable to use in 4 to 5 years, and have enough performance to last that 5 years. minus the graphic card which i'll change once in a while.

to add a bit more context about myself, i used iphone 3gs and not upgrade until iphone 5s came out. i still use the same sony tv from 2002, i bought console right when it's out so that i can use it as long as it possible. Which i did. i used the same laptop from when vista came out until end of 2011.
So basically when i use electronic goods, i use it and grind it till it dies of old age, i dont change until i really have to. i'm really tired of having my notebook died in less than a year for the past 3 years, so yeah, i want the PC to last ^_^. at least for my usage.

The PC usage:
a) heavy internet browsing habit.
==> i load 10-12 tabs at the same time from a website hompage, while leaving 40-50tabs open at idle normally.
b) watching HD movies on my 23" screen
c) light photo / video editing
d) office work
e) very minimal gaming (i don't play FPS at all. i do play interesting titles like remember me or tomb raider). So, i game once every 8 months i'd say

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Kindly need help and advice biggrin.gif

my budget is $1200, i can stretch it if minimal stretching offer greater jump in reliabilities / noise level

So far the parts im going to buy are

Processors : i5-4570 ($243) need help
motherboard : MSI H87-G43 gaming ($158) need help
HDD : Seagate Barracuda 1tb ($77)
GPU : MSI gtx 660 or MSI R9 270 (both cost $258)
RAM : Corsair vengeance pro 2x4 gb ($120)
Case : Corsair 330R ($133) kind of need help a bit
PSU : Seasonic G650 ($148) or Corsair RM550 ($147) or Super Flower Platinum Golden King ($142) need help
CPU Cooler : Noctua NH-U12S ($80)
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Total $1,217
i already have Intel / Samsung SSD to go with it.

Why I chose those parts and my questions and needing help relating to it :

1) Motherboard Question : Should i go Asus / gigabyte over MSI...? should i consider Asrock as well since it's cost a little less or should i go straight for asus / gigabyte?
Detailed ==> MSI h87-g43 gaming is the cheapest ATX motherboard i could find here. However when i was casually googling about another non-related to motherboard stuffs... i stumbled upon user comments about MSI low-end motherboard uneven QC. Extensive googling revealed more and more user comments saying the same, go for asus/gigabyte.

ATX form factor on H87 availabilities is very rare here, here's the list with ATX form factor

msi h87-g41 pc mate ($131)
msi h87-g43 gaming ($158)
VS
Gigabyte - GA-H87-HD3 ($172)
Asus - H87-Pro ($215)

link to the online website where they show motherboard parts and price

there are quite several other H87 boards mostly mATX form factor. What's the difference between mATX and ATX form factor other than size btw? What advantage does ATX offer compare to mATX formfactor? Also, does it matter for my needs getting one or the other? The mATX h87 form factor is cheaper, i can list it if you guys need it


2) Processor question : if i want to use it for 4-5 years... should i get K processors or Stock processors? Considering $100-$120 premium between them...
Detailed ==> Will getting a K processors and pay a premium now makes me able to squeeze a little more juice out of my PC down the road....? or will OC and heat killed processors faster? does technology has catch up to the point that safe minimal OC will squeeze me more performance but still as reliable as stock?
I don't think i'll do high or extreme OC.
I need to be concern about the price also though because price-wise it will cost me $100-$110 premium getting Z87 against H87 processors and board..... Does the $110 premium of getting Z board paid off in 5 years in terms of OC-ing in years 3 to 5 to squeeze it?

i5-4670k ($290) VS i5-4570 ($243)
Z87 board Asus/Gigabyte/Asrock ($240-260) // MSI ($230) VS H87 board ($160~$215)
Total would be $550 VS $450


3) GPU : is MSI graphic card more reliable than its motherboard? or should i choose other brands, my choice is limited though also... Should i get R9 270 or GTX 660 provided it cost the same $258?
Detailed ==> my choice
HIS R9 270 iPower IceQ X² ($245)
Sapphire R9 270 Dual-X ($260)

Gigabyte GTX 660 2gb windforce ($270)
Zotac GTX 660 AMP! ($279)

other than MSI that's all my options. there's also ASUS 650ti Boost ($248) and Gigabyte 650ti Boost ($240). I'm leaning towards MSI provided the limited choice but if other brand above are more reliable please advise me ^_^ i know from reviews MSI is silent.

Also.. why i picked GTX660was because i was about to get GTX 650Ti Boost, but MSI one ($218) aren't available on my island ATM, and ASUS 650Ti Boost cost ($248) so might as well get GTX 660 / R9 270 since 650ti boost $248 -> 660 / r9 270 $258 is only $10 diff.

4) PSU : really confused. initially i wanted to get Seasonic G550 ($130), not available. Also wanted to get Seasonic M12II 520W ($110), no stock. Decided to stretch the budget.

Corsair RM550 Gold ($147)
pros :: optimized for silence, and build to theoretically eliminate coil whine.
cons :: capxon capacitors from reviews made me really really worried abt getting it

Seasonic X560 ($173),
pros :: X series
cons :: my budget was $130 for PSU, stretching $145 is fine, but stretching to $173, i don't know whether the price jump compare to the others will improve reliability and noise level or not. Will it?

Super Flower Golden King Platinum 550W ($140)
pros :: Jonnyguru and other reviewers rave about it. I read somewhere it has ECO mode where the fan is off on low load... is it?
Cons :: Superflower, not familiar with the brand, website is not informative and well-organized

Seasonic G650 ($148)
pros :: my initial choice, just bigger wattage
Cons :: is it not overkill for my usage?

feel free to recommend anything from this link if you think my PSU choices are overkill. Also, skip all <500W if its bronze and skip all Antec. they don't have the stock here frown.gif

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= Why I chose Noctua because CM 212 cost $55 might as well stretch.
= All RAM Cost the same $110-$120, $3 difference between patriot viper gskill ripjaws and corsair vengeance isnt saving so i chose corsair vengeance with that logic.
= Yes, no define R4 here yet, and define R3 is no stock. feel free to help me choose between bitfenix ghost / nzxt h2 / carbide 330r

i dont like the name carbide but i like the looks though... but if the other 2 alternatives are more quiet, please feel free to advise me

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Not important but reason why if you're wondering why i just don't look in other places if the PC shops area don't have stocks. is because....
Addendum:When parts aren't available on the island, it usually takes 3-4 months to restock, also if one PC shop don't have the parts then (95% of the time) all the PC shops on the city won't have stock, because PC components Shop are concentrated in one area, and the PC Shop don't hv stock for the goods. When a buyer have "oral agreement agreeing to buy", the PC shop will go to the distributor and get the goods (which located in the same area). More like a PC Middleman Shop than a PC shop really frown.gif

Addendum 2 : If you're wondering about my extensive question regarding reliabilities, it's because aftersales on this island is subpar to say the least. So, i don't really care about warranty so much as your experiences and QC from the factory itself.

No point of being under warranty if when a part is broken i have to wait 3~6 months for RMA, and even when i get the goods back, sometimes it's another customer swapped RMA goods..
(happens more often than a customer would want). So yeah reliability is more important than long / short warranty.


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i learned all these in 2 1/2 - 3 weeks from zero so im terribly sorry for the very long and detailed questions... this is my 1st pc and i want to get it right.
Edited by rovopio - 1/9/14 at 9:11am
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Stay away from the Corsair RM series

http://www.overclock.net/t/1455892/why-you-should-not-buy-a-corsair-rm-psu

The Be Quet Dark Power Pro is a much better overall PSU
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no be quiet here, only the above... frown.gif
i'd take be quiet if they hv it here.
link to link to the online website where they show components parts and price not availabilities though

feel free to recommend Z77 motherboard as well because at $170~$210 that asus/gigabyte ATX H87 motherboard is offering the Z77 is also cost the same

upon reading your reviews... i think i narrow my option to 147 dollars seasonic g650 or 172 dollars overbudget seasonic x560 or 140 dollars superflower platinum golden king...

which one you think will be more reliable and quiet down the road for 4/5 years...?
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Too bad you cannot get the Fractal Design Define R4, it is less expensive than the case you have chosen. I cannot advise you on the other cases as I only build in Fractal Design for desktop workstations. IF you are not a hard core gamer you can save money on the GPU. I have an MSI GeForce GTX 660 which works just fine for photo editing and I've played Metro Last Light (not a gamer but I got this for free with the GPU) without any problems. It's less expensive than the GPU you have. A simple and good i5 is just fine. Overclocking presents other challenges and unless you are willing to invest the time and effort you don't need a 'k' CPU (I didn't want to fool around here so I didn't get one). Don't know about MSI MoBos, I have only used Gigabyte and ASUS without problems. For your needs it won't matter between mATX and full size ATX.
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Super Flower Golden King despite its age is still a very good PSU

Either that one or the Seasonic G

Go with the Golden King its cheaper then the others and its also better
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i will 99.5% change to define R4 when the distributor decide to restock. idk when that is though. 6 months to a year.

im actually seriously considering taking define R4 from another country, handcarry when i go overseas, but im terrified with the 200% tax import they'll charge on the domestic airport... i probably will go overseas sooner than the local distributor restock define R series
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I just looked at the website and see they have the Fractal Designs Define R3 and Arc Midi listed. These are also good cases and should work well for you. Only difference between these and the newer models is they have USB 2.0 ports on the front rather than USB 3.0. If this doesn't matter to you go ahead and consider these.
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I just looked at the website and see they have the Fractal Designs Define R3 and Arc Midi listed. These are also good cases and should work well for you. Only difference between these and the newer models is they have USB 2.0 ports on the front rather than USB 3.0. If this doesn't matter to you go ahead and consider these.

the website only states price and model of components that at some point of time (in the past or present) once available on the island. the only way to know whether a component is available or not is by "orally agree to buy beforehand". weird, but that's south east asia for you i guess. they just list everything since the website was created. haha biggrin.gif

you're using gtx 660 from MSI? that's great. that means MSI graphic cards at least aren't as subpar as its board...

yeah considering gtx660 and r9 270 cost the same ($258) which one i shud go for in terms of noise and reliability?
i know r9 270 is better gaming-wise but similar with you, i dont game. i probably play BF4 since i'll get it for free with r9 270 or assassin creed / splinter cell if its come with nivida (i dont think so though)

like i said in the first post
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PC components Shop are concentrated in one area, and the PC Shop don't hv stock for the goods. When a buyer have "oral agreement agreeing to buy", the PC shop will go to the distributor and get the goods (which located in the same area also, same building even), but buyers can't go there directly. really more like middleman than a shop

so yeah i was abt to buy my PC last saturday but they dont have all antec models / seasonic g550 / seasonic m12ii-520 / msi 650ti boost / define r3.
all empty... so... went back home and decide to post here before going to the PC shops area.

no define r3. i know they hv bitfenix ghost and nzxt h2. i pray that they do hv carbide 330r because its my favorite over the three.

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okay... other than sata ports and usb ports, generally speaking, if its the same chipset... does mATX only differ in form factor compare to atx board or does matx board somehow less reliable? lesser quality components maybe...?
say on the same h87 chipset...

*also... i saw your pc specs... why do you use z77 board on a stock i5? does average z77 board offers better components than avg h77 board?
Edited by rovopio - 1/9/14 at 8:32am
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I'll keep it simple. You watch one video and checkout this Amazon list I have saved and you're going to want to build it.

You're getting the most for your buck, it's reliable, produces minimal heat - idles at 8c, 20c under load w/stock fan (which means less fan noise), boots in 2 secs and shutdowns in 1 sec!

http://amzn.com/w/1T60EF37YSHT4

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I'll keep it simple. You watch one video and checkout this Amazon list I have saved and you're going to want to build it.

You're getting the most for your buck, it's reliable, produces minimal heat - idles at 8c, 20c under load w/stock fan (which means less fan noise), boots in 2 secs and shutdowns in 1 sec!

http://amzn.com/w/1T60EF37YSHT4

tq for replying....

ofc im using ssd. haha. shouldve mentioned that on the post. ill edit it now.

im using intel ssd on this laptop im typing. and i hv a spare samsung ssd that im going to use for the pc. i want an i5.
corsair CX600 cost $107 so yeah, like i said i wish i could get amazon/newegg price but cant.

so... yeah im still concerned / dont know anything about board reliabilities... whether i shud get mATX or ATX and whether i shud go asus / gigabyte or stay with my initial choice msi h87-g43 gaming, cheapest h87 ATX board here. but again, reading the many many random reports regarding msi boards made me second-guess it and here i am asking...

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i was googling for something completely unrelated with motherboard when i found stumbled upon user comments about MSI low-end motherboard uneven QC. Extensive googling revealed more and more user comments saying the same go with asus / gigabyte. there are only 2 ATX model for H87 board here that isnt MSI.

Gigabyte - GA-H87-HD3 ($172)
Asus - H87-Pro ($215)

other than the two... its mostly mATX boards.... im fine with mATX i dont think i'll need the expansion tho losing 1 6gb/s sata port is a bit sad but im fine... reliability wise though, does mATX build quality lesser than its ATX counterpart?

also... since asus h87 pro is $215, the cheapest z87 motherboard from gigabyte GA-Z87-D3HP ($217) is within my reach.

Also... i can stretch my motherboard budget from the MSI H87 gaming $158 to any Z77 board ~=$260 if i have to get Z77.
i just want the best reliabilities since im gonna use the board for 5 years, and warranty + aftersales service here means jack, diddly, and their friend squat.
OTOH, saving money is always nice... i can buy a nice speaker if i dont have to spend $260.

here's the web link to z87 motherboard http://www.nanokomputer.com/index.php?cPath=27_41_388_391 there's a page 2 on the down right side as well, pretty small button
to H*& motherboard http://www.nanokomputer.com/index.php?cPath=27_41_388_390

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i know... with $260 i can get sabertooth from newegg... well sadly here sabertooth is $420. wink.gif
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