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Corsair CX is cheap for a reason

And thats reason is lots of cheap second and lower rated parts used in the CX series
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i know i read your reviews. im going to buy... either SF or G650 depending upon availabilities. im really interested on having the super flower tho, it seems to be better and the fan stop at low load... it just has an unfortunate name
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i know i read your reviews. im going to buy... either SF or G650 depending upon availabilities. im really interested on having the super flower tho, it seems to be better and the fan stop at low load... it just has an unfortunate name

Those are not my reviews those are from Techpowerup

The two units are very very close and one has better voltage regulation while the other has higher efficiency
Edited by shilka - 1/9/14 at 10:16am
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For gpu Go for R9 270
it cost Rp.2.583.000, same as Gtx 660
but the R9 270 performs better

http://www.nanokomputer.com/product_info.php?cPath=29_54_433_442&products_id=6244
http://www.nanokomputer.com/product_info.php?cPath=29_55_324_349&products_id=5236

http://youtu.be/ZLQrZseRlew?t=4m59s

regarding Cpu i think Z77 with i5 3570K better option , u can overclock and get more performance and cost less
225$
http://www.nanokomputer.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_39_223&products_id=4869

regarding motherboard
100$
http://www.nanokomputer.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_41_224_319&products_id=5368


cpu cooler

the Noctua NH-U14S if it doesn't fit get NH-U12S just check the measurements
72$
http://www.nanokomputer.com/product_info.php?cPath=431_100_289&products_id=5762


if you will have side window
45$
http://www.nanokomputer.com/product_info.php?cPath=431_100_199&products_id=6064


regarding case i chose BitFenix Ghost coz it have more ports

Ram 16GB Ram if you don't need 16GB can go 8gb, but I thought for editing it will help
126$
http://www.nanokomputer.com/product_info.php?cPath=28_50_132_400&products_id=4167

OR
8GB
77$
http://www.nanokomputer.com/product_info.php?cPath=28_50_132_399&products_id=3009
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Those are not my reviews those are from Techpowerup

The two units are very very close and one has better voltage regulation while the other has higher efficiency

i mean abt corsair rm and the 4 psu mid-range review

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they dont have lga 1155 motherboard anymore mate, only 1150 now...
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omg damn it I built entire list based on z77 =.=!

well at least u now know about gpu and found a cheaper ram for u

hmm...

to have K i5 will be expansive
well u can then forget the cpu cooler also . this way can get i5 4670 with a mobo, and will save some $ on cpu cooler
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Hi everybody... This is going to be my 1st PC.

Some backgrounds about me:
I decided to buy a PC fr myself around the middle of december. I know my way around software but i was a notebook user and i couldn't tell left from right regarding what PC components does what and which ones suits my needs. Extensively googling for the past 3 weeks, and now i'm going to buy the PC on next tuesday or wednesday but i still need a bit of a help regarding some parts.

The PC aim :
1) Quiet Computing
=> My first aim is for the PC to be as quiet as possible that it could be within my budget. I don't need complete silent since realistically i have a limited budget, but i need quiet because the PC will be on some nights of the week for uploading, and my internet speed is inadequate, have to leave it on all night if i want to upload stuff.

2) Last minimum 4 years to 5 years in terms of performance
=> Other than the graphic cards (which i probably will upgrade every 18 months), i want PC components that would offer enough performance and most importantly reliabilities to be alive and stretch it out for minimum 4 years to 5 years, or even more.
Ofc i understand if i got a lemon then there's nothing to be done abt it but i'd like to minimize the probability of lemon goods by asking advice on what components has better build / inside / QC from your experience

3) Price to Performance ratio (very-very non priority)
=> i dont live in Northern America so while i'd love to get great deals on newegg / amazon i couldn't do that. choices of goods are limited also, so i will list the components and its price locally here. Maybe also give the online vendor URL where they list the choice of components (though not the stock).

So... The PC should ideally be quiet, reliable to use in 4 to 5 years, and have enough performance to last that 5 years. minus the graphic card which i'll change once in a while.

to add a bit more context about myself, i used iphone 3gs and not upgrade until iphone 5s came out. i still use the same sony tv from 2002, i bought console right when it's out so that i can use it as long as it possible. Which i did. i used the same laptop from when vista came out until end of 2011.
So basically when i use electronic goods, i use it and grind it till it dies of old age, i dont change until i really have to. i'm really tired of having my notebook died in less than a year for the past 3 years, so yeah, i want the PC to last ^_^. at least for my usage.

The PC usage:
a) heavy internet browsing habit.
==> i load 10-12 tabs at the same time from a website hompage, while leaving 40-50tabs open at idle normally.
b) watching HD movies on my 23" screen
c) light photo / video editing
d) office work
e) very minimal gaming (i don't play FPS at all. i do play interesting titles like remember me or tomb raider). So, i game once every 8 months i'd say

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Kindly need help and advice biggrin.gif

my budget is $1200, i can stretch it if minimal stretching offer greater jump in reliabilities / noise level

So far the parts im going to buy are

Processors : i5-4570 ($243) need help
motherboard : MSI H87-G43 gaming ($158) need help
HDD : Seagate Barracuda 1tb ($77)
GPU : MSI gtx 660 or MSI R9 270 (both cost $258)
RAM : Corsair vengeance pro 2x4 gb ($120)
Case : Corsair 330R ($133) kind of need help a bit
PSU : Seasonic G650 ($148) or Corsair RM550 ($147) or Super Flower Platinum Golden King ($142) need help
CPU Cooler : Noctua NH-U12S ($80)
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Total $1,217
i already have Intel / Samsung SSD to go with it.

Why I chose those parts and my questions and needing help relating to it :

1) Motherboard Question : Should i go Asus / gigabyte over MSI...? should i consider Asrock as well since it's cost a little less or should i go straight for asus / gigabyte?
Detailed ==> MSI h87-g43 gaming is the cheapest ATX motherboard i could find here. However when i was casually googling about another non-related to motherboard stuffs... i stumbled upon user comments about MSI low-end motherboard uneven QC. Extensive googling revealed more and more user comments saying the same, go for asus/gigabyte.

ATX form factor on H87 availabilities is very rare here, here's the list with ATX form factor

msi h87-g41 pc mate ($131)
msi h87-g43 gaming ($158)
VS
Gigabyte - GA-H87-HD3 ($172)
Asus - H87-Pro ($215)

link to the online website where they show motherboard parts and price

there are quite several other H87 boards mostly mATX form factor. What's the difference between mATX and ATX form factor other than size btw? What advantage does ATX offer compare to mATX formfactor? Also, does it matter for my needs getting one or the other? The mATX h87 form factor is cheaper, i can list it if you guys need it


2) Processor question : if i want to use it for 4-5 years... should i get K processors or Stock processors? Considering $100-$120 premium between them...
Detailed ==> Will getting a K processors and pay a premium now makes me able to squeeze a little more juice out of my PC down the road....? or will OC and heat killed processors faster? does technology has catch up to the point that safe minimal OC will squeeze me more performance but still as reliable as stock?
I don't think i'll do high or extreme OC.
I need to be concern about the price also though because price-wise it will cost me $100-$110 premium getting Z87 against H87 processors and board..... Does the $110 premium of getting Z board paid off in 5 years in terms of OC-ing in years 3 to 5 to squeeze it?

i5-4670k ($290) VS i5-4570 ($243)
Z87 board Asus/Gigabyte/Asrock ($240-260) // MSI ($230) VS H87 board ($160~$215)
Total would be $550 VS $450


3) GPU : is MSI graphic card more reliable than its motherboard? or should i choose other brands, my choice is limited though also... Should i get R9 270 or GTX 660 provided it cost the same $258?
Detailed ==> my choice
HIS R9 270 iPower IceQ X² ($245)
Sapphire R9 270 Dual-X ($260)

Gigabyte GTX 660 2gb windforce ($270)
Zotac GTX 660 AMP! ($279)

other than MSI that's all my options. there's also ASUS 650ti Boost ($248) and Gigabyte 650ti Boost ($240). I'm leaning towards MSI provided the limited choice but if other brand above are more reliable please advise me ^_^ i know from reviews MSI is silent.

Also.. why i picked GTX660was because i was about to get GTX 650Ti Boost, but MSI one ($218) aren't available on my island ATM, and ASUS 650Ti Boost cost ($248) so might as well get GTX 660 / R9 270 since 650ti boost $248 -> 660 / r9 270 $258 is only $10 diff.

4) PSU : really confused. initially i wanted to get Seasonic G550 ($130), not available. Also wanted to get Seasonic M12II 520W ($110), no stock. Decided to stretch the budget.

Corsair RM550 Gold ($147)
pros :: optimized for silence, and build to theoretically eliminate coil whine.
cons :: capxon capacitors from reviews made me really really worried abt getting it

Seasonic X560 ($173),
pros :: X series
cons :: my budget was $130 for PSU, stretching $145 is fine, but stretching to $173, i don't know whether the price jump compare to the others will improve reliability and noise level or not. Will it?

Super Flower Golden King Platinum 550W ($140)
pros :: Jonnyguru and other reviewers rave about it. I read somewhere it has ECO mode where the fan is off on low load... is it?
Cons :: Superflower, not familiar with the brand, website is not informative and well-organized

Seasonic G650 ($148)
pros :: my initial choice, just bigger wattage
Cons :: is it not overkill for my usage?

feel free to recommend anything from this link if you think my PSU choices are overkill. Also, skip all <500W if its bronze and skip all Antec. they don't have the stock here frown.gif

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= Why I chose Noctua because CM 212 cost $55 might as well stretch.
= All RAM Cost the same $110-$120, $3 difference between patriot viper gskill ripjaws and corsair vengeance isnt saving so i chose corsair vengeance with that logic.
= Yes, no define R4 here yet, and define R3 is no stock. feel free to help me choose between bitfenix ghost / nzxt h2 / carbide 330r

i dont like the name carbide but i like the looks though... but if the other 2 alternatives are more quiet, please feel free to advise me

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Not important but reason why if you're wondering why i just don't look in other places if the PC shops area don't have stocks. is because....
Addendum:When parts aren't available on the island, it usually takes 3-4 months to restock, also if one PC shop don't have the parts then (95% of the time) all the PC shops on the city won't have stock, because PC components Shop are concentrated in one area, and the PC Shop don't hv stock for the goods. When a buyer have "oral agreement agreeing to buy", the PC shop will go to the distributor and get the goods (which located in the same area). More like a PC Middleman Shop than a PC shop really frown.gif

Addendum 2 : If you're wondering about my extensive question regarding reliabilities, it's because aftersales on this island is subpar to say the least. So, i don't really care about warranty so much as your experiences and QC from the factory itself.

No point of being under warranty if when a part is broken i have to wait 3~6 months for RMA, and even when i get the goods back, sometimes it's another customer swapped RMA goods..
(happens more often than a customer would want). So yeah reliability is more important than long / short warranty.


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i learned all these in 2 1/2 - 3 weeks from zero so im terribly sorry for the very long and detailed questions... this is my 1st pc and i want to get it right.
I'll be glad to help out.

Ok answering your questions in order you asked them

1) So for the motherboard, since you are not planning on overclocking, the H87 boards are great. Good features and CAN overclock, just not a whole lot. AsRock has some quality boards for the money. The Extreme 3 and 4 are great. Asus's lower end boards arent great if im honest. Gigabyte makes a great low end board, same as MSI. I recently built with the Z77-G43 from them and it was a treat. If you can, find the G43 from MSI, its my favorite of the low end boards, next in line I would find an Extreme 3. They are usually fairly cheap and I believe there is an H87 variety.

2) What I would do, since you said you wont be gaming lots and you want to render things, is I would get a Xeon with hyperthreading. They are roughly $25-30 more then the 4670k and have 4 cores with 8 threads, meaning faster render times. Also they are quite low on the heat side (usually). Not sure if they come with a cooler though, I would look into that. Also not sure if the Haswell Xeon's are overclockable. Look into that too. To answer your question, yes the K series processor is worth it due to the fact that you can overclock it to extend the usable life of the processor.

3)For the GPU, the R9 270 is quite a bit faster then the GTX 660. Its equivalent to the HD 7870 XT, which is a fast card. MSI, Asus, Gigabyte and Sapphire are the brands you should be looking for in an R9 270.

4) Do you have any XFX Core Pro PSU's around? If so they are a fantastic PSU for the money. You should only need about 450-500W to power the system. Also read that you looked at the CX 600. DO NOT BUY A CX 600! It is not a, keep your computer on all the time, PSU.


A few extra things. For the RAM, I personally recommend G.Skill. I have never received a bad stick of ram from those guys and it always operates very cool. For the case, the one you chose looks good, the 300R is fantastic for the money. For the CPU cooler, don't worry about such an expensive one, something like an NZXT Havik 120 will be more then the board can handle overclocking wise, unless you get a Z87 board.

Any other questions feel free to ask!
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Prologue to Follow-up questions
aftersales on this island is not good. not good is a major understatement. that's why i ask repeatedly and in detailed esp. since it's only been 3 weeks since i learned abt PC building. thank you very much for everybody who have answered.

i just have 2 clear plans. number one is to make the PC as quiet as possible, and number two to make it last 5 years sans graphic card.

initially... i had no plan for OC. went to pc shops area last saturday, the vital stuff i wanted was empty (Seasonic G550 650ti boost define R3) so i went back. Went to pc shops to RMA external HDD anw so it wasnt a waste of a trip. i still hv no plan for OC. as mentioned on post #1 random googling non-related subject made me stumbled upon comments after comments regarding MSI probable uneven QC...... (a couple ppl from other forum when i googled, even went as far as to seemingly staunchly avoid MSI..). it sort of made me doubt MSI a lot.
so yeah, while i chose h87-g43 gaming initially, i second doubt myself. Also with the consciousness that choice of motherboard actually matters...with that train of thought... having a weekend to think back makes me wonder whether on year 3~5 whether it'll worth to get unlocked processors... to prolong the processor usability. but again, i know squat about proper airflow and heat, and in my mind isn't OC a double-edged sword? Sure i'll do a safe minimal / low-medium OC not extreme but... will OC makes my 4 years old processors go snappier, or will it actually makes it dead faster cuz of heat.


TL;DR The Follow-up Questions itself
i just finished browsing all mATX and ATX boards from all 3 chipsets that is sold on my island and check out its price.
if i get a z87 board + K processor i can only get the lowest of the low-end of the z87 motherboard (i list the ones i could afford on the last paragraph...)
i can move around some budget, not get a fancy speaker, or knock down the graphic card to something less. those 2 things are movable, so yeah i can afford it...somewhat.

i still need to ask a couple questions again though. when you read it, it'll definitely seems like repeating questions for you but i need to ask again because even though you just answered my question... considering i could only get lowest-end of the z87 boards... i'm still in doubt whether it'll have improvement on its reliability against the premium... and im
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OCD.
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if i could afford sabertooth and gryphon i wouldn't ask and just straight get that but sadly i can't...

so... what i'm still note sure though is...
1) whether safe / medium non extreme OC actually resulted in noticeable significant performance?
==> yes significant is subjective, but consider you are using your relatives Celeron Dual Core B847-1.2Ghz mobile notebook for an hour, and then the next hour you are using your own i3-3110m notebook, that'd be noticeable imo. going from Intel Celeron Dual Core B847-1.2Ghz performance to Intel Celeron Dual Core 1007U-1.5Ghz, isnt noticable enough.

2) aka will buying a low-end z87 board will make the probability of the board live longer than buying an h87 or b85 board?
=> Does H87 or B85 board components quality and reliability lower than low-end z87 counterparts?

3) does within the same chipset, mATX board differ with ATX board only in form factor and expansion slots... or does mATX board h87 and b85 created as such that it doesn't have as good a reliability as its regular ATX counterparts...? and what abt comparing mATX h87 / b85 vs low-end ATX Z87 board?



now on to the motherboard itself, these are the ones i could afford....


H87
ASRock - Fatal1ty H87 Performance ($145)
MSI - H87-G43 Gaming ($158)
Gigabyte - GA-H87-HD3 ($171)
mATX Asus - H87M-E ($180)
Asus H87-Pro ($216)

Z77
MSI - Z87-G55 ($195)
ASRock - Fatal1ty Z87 Killer ($200)
MSI - Z87-G45 Gaming ($232)
Gigabyte - GA-Z87X-D3H ($243)
Asus - Z87-K ($270)

Most expensive model i could afford but if i get these i can't get K processors...
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ASRock - Z87 Extreme6 ($245)
Gigabyte - GA-Z87X-UD3H ($282)
Asus - Gryphon Z87 ($297)
MSI - Z87-GD65 Gaming ($293)
MSI - Z87 MPower SP ($300)
Gigabyte - GA-Z87X-OC ($309)


now from reading 1 by 1 all the above models i noticed a pattern regarding it's feature advertisement...
For Asus
it's 5k hours solid caps for h87 and z87 => 10k hours black caps for the most expensive i listed

For Gigabyte
it's ultradurable 4 for h87 => ultradurable 5 plus for z87 => Durable black solid caps chemicon 10k hours for the most expensive i listed

For Asrock
it's duracap for h87 => premium goldcap for z87 => dual stack mosfet for the most expensive i listed

For MSI
solid cap dark choke for h87 => dark cap super ferrite choke for gaming series or z87 => hi c-cap for the most expensive i listed

my requirement is that...
1) For B85 H87 i don't mind having mATX over ATX if the components and build quality on the mATX is as reliable as its ATX counterparts.
2) I think i prefer H87 from B85 because 5 years is a long time and i might need that 1 extra SATAIII port, and who knows i might want to learn how to use RAID 1
3) I don't mind paying premium for i5 K and z87 boards if the board is more reliable than h87 or b85 and it'll provide (presumably) better performance down the road, but my options here are rather really limited. based only on the features advertisement i dont feel there is a reliability differences between z87 low-end and avg h87
==========================
So... anything below $260 i can afford (by knocking GPU to 7790 / eliminating fancy speakers), both the board and the K processors. Anything above $260 i can afford but, i can't afford the K processors.
Hence one of my original question... will low-end z87 motherboard last longer than avg h87 / b85 motherboard...? or the reliabilities are pretty much the same?
i learned just from reading the description that the mid-range z87 could live longer by their 10,000 hours / caps / mosfets claims but what about the low-end z87? should i just get h87?


For good measures here's...
B85
mATX ASRock - B85M-HDS ($100)
mATX MSI - B85M-E45 ($110)
mATX Asus- B85M-G ($130)
mATX Gigabyte - GA-B85M-D3H ($140)
Gigabyte - G1.Sniper B5 ($157)
MSI - B85-G43 Gaming ($140)


cheerssss....!!!
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aftersales on this island is not good. not good is a major understatement. that's why i ask repeatedly and in detailed esp. since it's only been 3 weeks since i learned abt PC building. thank you very much for everybody who have answered.

i just have 2 clear plans. number one is to make the PC as quiet as possible, and number two to make it last 5 years sans graphic card.

initially... i had no plan for OC. went to pc shops area last saturday, the vital stuff i wanted was empty (Seasonic G550 650ti boost define R3) so i went back. Went to pc shops to RMA external HDD anw so it wasnt a waste of a trip. i still hv no plan for OC. as mentioned on post #1 random googling non-related subject made me stumbled upon comments after comments regarding MSI probable uneven QC...... (a couple ppl from other forum when i googled, even went as far as to seemingly staunchly avoid MSI..). it sort of made me doubt MSI a lot.
so yeah, while i chose h87-g43 gaming initially, i second doubt myself. Also with the consciousness that choice of motherboard actually matters...with that train of thought... having a weekend to think back makes me wonder whether on year 3~5 whether it'll worth to get unlocked processors... to prolong the processor usability. but again, i know squat about proper airflow and heat, and in my mind isn't OC a double-edged sword? Sure i'll do a safe minimal / low-medium OC not extreme but... will OC makes my 4 years old processors go snappier, or will it actually makes it dead faster cuz of heat.


TL;DR The Follow-up Questions itself
the difference between going h87 board+stock i5 => low-end z77 board +K i5 is around $120-$140 but stretch it to 3-5 years the difference is minimal and i could justify it. i can move around some budget, not get a funky speaker, or knock down the graphic card to something less. those 2 things are movable, so yeah i can afford it...somewhat.

what i don't know though is...
1) whether safe / medium non extreme OC actually resulted in noticeable significant performance?
==> yes significant is subjective, but consider you are using your relatives Celeron Dual Core B847-1.2Ghz mobile notebook for an hour, and then the next hour you are using your own i3-3110m notebook, that'd be noticeable imo. going from Intel Celeron Dual Core B847-1.2Ghz performance to Intel Celeron Dual Core 1007U-1.5Ghz, isnt noticable enough.

2) aka will buying a low-end z87 board will make the probability of the board live longer than buying an h87 or b85 board?
=> Does H87 or B85 board components quality and reliability lower than low-end z87 counterparts?

3) does within the same chipset, mATX board differ with ATX board only in form factor and expansion slots... or does mATX board h87 and b85 created as such that it doesn't have as good a reliability as its regular ATX counterparts...? and what abt comparing mATX h87 / b85 vs low-end ATX Z87 board?


now on to the motherboard itself, please help me decide which ones are good for me (i just finished browsing mATX and ATX boards from all 3 chipsets).

my requirement is that...
1) For B85 H87 i don't mind having mATX over ATX if the components and build quality on the mATX is as reliable as its ATX counterparts.
2) I think i prefer H87 from B85 because 5 years is a long time and i might need that 1 extra SATAIII port, and who knows i might want to learn how to use RAID 1
3) I don't mind paying premium for i5 K and z87 boards if the board is more reliable than h87 or b85 and it'll provide (presumably) better performance down the road, but my options here are rather limited

so here goes...


H87
ASRock - Fatal1ty H87 Performance ($145)
MSI - H87-G43 Gaming ($158)
Gigabyte - GA-H87-HD3 ($171)
mATX Asus - H87M-E ($180)
Asus H87-Pro ($216)

Z77
MSI - Z87-G55 ($195)
ASRock - Fatal1ty Z87 Killer ($200)
MSI - Z87-G45 Gaming ($232)
Gigabyte - GA-Z87X-D3H ($243)
Asus - Z87-K ($270)

Most expensive model i could afford
=====
ASRock - Z87 Extreme6 ($245)
Gigabyte - GA-Z87X-UD3H ($282)
Asus - Gryphon Z87 ($297)
MSI - Z87-GD65 Gaming ($293)
MSI - Z87 MPower SP ($300)
Gigabyte - GA-Z87X-OC ($309)


now from reading 1 by 1 all the above models i noticed a pattern regarding it's feature advertisement...

For Asus
it's 5k hours solid caps for h87 and z87 => 10k hours black caps for the most expensive i listed

For Gigabyte
it's ultradurable 4 for h87 => ultradurable 5 plus for z87 => Durable black solid caps chemicon 10k hours for the most expensive i listed

For Asrock
it's duracap for h87 => premium goldcap for z87 => dual stack mosfet for the most expensive i listed

For MSI
solid cap dark choke for h87 => dark cap super ferrite choke for gaming series or z87 => hi c-cap for the most expensive i listed


==========================
here's the dilemma... anything below $260 i can afford (by knocking GPU to 7790 / eliminating fancy speakers), both the board and the K processors. Anything above $260 i can afford but, i can't afford the K processors.
Hence one of my original question... will low-end z87 motherboard last longer than avg h87 / b85 motherboard...? or does it uses the same parts?
i learned just from reading the description that the mid-end z87 could live longer by their 10,000 hours / caps / mosfets claims but what about the low-end z87? should i just get h87?


For good measures here's...
B85
mATX ASRock - B85M-HDS ($100)
mATX MSI - B85M-E45 ($110)
mATX Asus- B85M-G ($130)
mATX Gigabyte - GA-B85M-D3H ($140)
Gigabyte - G1.Sniper B5 ($157)
MSI - B85-G43 Gaming ($140)
Ok I'll answer everything best I can

1) Yes, a small 10-15% OC on an intel chip will give you the extra performance and, with a good cooler, should give you good longevity.
2) Yes and no. The H87 boards are quite well built, and people have overclocked mildly on them just fine. Obviously the Z87's are much better built and handle insane overclocks, but the H87 should be fine. The H87 boards do use lesser quality components, but that doesnt mean they use low quality components. The B85's are garbage, throw them in the trash right now.
3) As for m-ATX vs ATX. If you have the room, the ATX boards run cooler because all the components arent cramped together. Since your getting a corsair 300R, thats not a problem. Get an ATX, not an m-ATX

As for the actual motherboard, as I suggested, the Xeon E3-1230 V3 and above are all 4-core 8-thread processors. They dont need an overclock, they shouldn't need it either. Should last you about 4-5 years no problem. This way all you need is an H87 board, I suggest the MSI H87-G43 or the Gigabyte H87-HD3. Both will serve that processor nicely.
Now if you want to try your hand at overclocking (its really not as hard as it sounds, just read a guide or two on this forum and you should be good) then you would need a Z87 and the K processor. I suggest the AsRock Z87 Extreme 3 as its cheap and has good features.
If you have to sacrifice GPU to get the better processor, then dont do it. GPU will give you a ton more longevity then getting a more expensive CPU. So basically, the R9 270X is your best bet, either that or the HD 7870. If you can nab a GTX 760 on sale, do that, but from the sounds of it, thats not likely. Scrap the fancy speakers if necessary but do not sacrifice GPU for CPU in this scenario.

So my suggestion to you is the following

CPU: Xeon E3-1230 V3
Motherboard: MSI H87-G43
RAM: 8GB of G.Skill
HDD: 1TB of whatever is cheap that has 7200RPM spin speed and 64MB cache. So basically it will be a Seagate Barracuda or the WD Caviar Blue. Either are great
GPU: Asus, Gigabyte, MSI or Sapphire R9 270X (whichever is cheapest). Either that or an HD 7870 in the same brands.
PSU: XFX Core Pro 550W. If you can find an Antec Earthwatts, those are decent units too.
Case: Whatever you want.
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Rovopio, since you're not a heavy gamer, why spend more than you should on building a "gaming" rig?

With the setup I showed you, your build should cost you less. The FX-8320 overclocks superbly and is the best CPU when it comes to maximizing bang/$$ ratio.

Mobo form factor does not matter when it comes to reliability. Assuming it is free of manufacturing defects, cheaper boards are "cheap" for a reason. However, you do find that board that's out there trying to compete with its heavier cousins out there every now and then. And that's what you should get. I've never had any issues with ASUS motherboards and I've owned my ASUS Rampage III Formula for about 3 years now and its performance is solid. I spent a lot back then to get it and I wish I didn't. I'm not stuff with non-native 6gb ports which use the problematic Marvell controller.

Learning from my past experiences, I'd get the best hardware to maximize my buck and spend less now and buy new later. Better technology will come out, and you're going to miss on it bcz you spent your budget on stuff you're not fully taking advantage of. I would agree with you if you're a heavy graphics user, but for what you need it for, no need to overspend.

btw, where do you live?
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