Originally Posted by rovopio Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Hi everybody... This is going to be my 1st PC.
The PC aim :
Some backgrounds about me:
I decided to buy a PC fr myself around the middle of december. I know my way around software but i was a notebook user and i couldn't tell left from right regarding what PC components does what and which ones suits my needs. Extensively googling for the past 3 weeks, and now i'm going to buy the PC on next tuesday or wednesday but i still need a bit of a help regarding some parts.
1) Quiet Computing
=> My first aim is for the PC to be as quiet as possible that it could be within my budget. I don't need complete silent since realistically i have a limited budget, but i need quiet because the PC will be on some nights of the week for uploading, and my internet speed is inadequate, have to leave it on all night if i want to upload stuff.
2) Last minimum 4 years to 5 years in terms of performance
=> Other than the graphic cards (which i probably will upgrade every 18 months), i want PC components that would offer enough performance and most importantly reliabilities to be alive and stretch it out for minimum 4 years to 5 years, or even more.
Ofc i understand if i got a lemon then there's nothing to be done abt it but i'd like to minimize the probability of lemon goods by asking advice on what components has better build / inside / QC from your experience
3) Price to Performance ratio (very-very non priority)
=> i dont live in Northern America so while i'd love to get great deals on newegg / amazon i couldn't do that. choices of goods are limited also, so i will list the components and its price locally here. Maybe also give the online vendor URL where they list the choice of components (though not the stock).
So... The PC should ideally be quiet, reliable to use in 4 to 5 years, and have enough performance to last that 5 years. minus the graphic card which i'll change once in a while.
to add a bit more context about myself, i used iphone 3gs and not upgrade until iphone 5s came out. i still use the same sony tv from 2002, i bought console right when it's out so that i can use it as long as it possible. Which i did. i used the same laptop from when vista came out until end of 2011.
So basically when i use electronic goods, i use it and grind it till it dies of old age, i dont change until i really have to. i'm really tired of having my notebook died in less than a year for the past 3 years, so yeah, i want the PC to last ^_^. at least for my usage.The PC usage:
a) heavy internet browsing habit.
==> i load 10-12 tabs at the same time from a website hompage, while leaving 40-50tabs open at idle normally.
b) watching HD movies on my 23" screen
c) light photo / video editing
d) office work
e) very minimal gaming (i don't play FPS at all. i do play interesting titles like remember me or tomb raider). So, i game once every 8 months i'd say
==========================================================Kindly need help and advice
my budget is $1200, i can stretch it if minimal stretching offer greater jump in reliabilities / noise level
So far the parts im going to buy are
Processors : i5-4570 ($243) need help
motherboard : MSI H87-G43 gaming ($158) need help
HDD : Seagate Barracuda 1tb ($77)
GPU : MSI gtx 660 or MSI R9 270 (both cost $258)
RAM : Corsair vengeance pro 2x4 gb ($120)
Case : Corsair 330R ($133) kind of need help a bit
PSU : Seasonic G650 ($148) or Corsair RM550 ($147) or Super Flower Platinum Golden King ($142) need help
CPU Cooler : Noctua NH-U12S ($80)
i already have Intel / Samsung SSD to go with it.Why I chose those parts and my questions and needing help relating to it :
1) Motherboard Question : Should i go Asus / gigabyte over MSI...? should i consider Asrock as well since it's cost a little less or should i go straight for asus / gigabyte?
Detailed ==> MSI h87-g43 gaming is the cheapest ATX motherboard i could find here. However when i was casually googling about another non-related to motherboard stuffs... i stumbled upon user comments about MSI low-end motherboard uneven QC. Extensive googling revealed more and more user comments saying the same, go for asus/gigabyte.
ATX form factor on H87 availabilities is very rare here, here's the list with ATX form factor
msi h87-g41 pc mate ($131)
msi h87-g43 gaming ($158)
Gigabyte - GA-H87-HD3 ($172)
Asus - H87-Pro ($215)link to the online website where they show motherboard parts and pricethere are quite several other H87 boards mostly mATX form factor. What's the difference between mATX and ATX form factor other than size btw? What advantage does ATX offer compare to mATX formfactor? Also, does it matter for my needs getting one or the other? The mATX h87 form factor is cheaper, i can list it if you guys need it
2) Processor question : if i want to use it for 4-5 years... should i get K processors or Stock processors? Considering $100-$120 premium between them...
Detailed ==> Will getting a K processors and pay a premium now makes me able to squeeze a little more juice out of my PC down the road....? or will OC and heat killed processors faster? does technology has catch up to the point that safe minimal OC will squeeze me more performance but still as reliable as stock?
I don't think i'll do high or extreme OC.
I need to be concern about the price also though because price-wise it will cost me $100-$110 premium getting Z87 against H87 processors and board..... Does the $110 premium of getting Z board paid off in 5 years in terms of OC-ing in years 3 to 5 to squeeze it?
i5-4670k ($290) VS i5-4570 ($243)
Z87 board Asus/Gigabyte/Asrock ($240-260) // MSI ($230) VS H87 board ($160~$215)
Total would be $550 VS $450
3) GPU : is MSI graphic card more reliable than its motherboard? or should i choose other brands, my choice is limited though
also... Should i get R9 270 or GTX 660 provided it cost the same $258?
Detailed ==> my choice
HIS R9 270 iPower IceQ X² ($245)
Sapphire R9 270 Dual-X ($260)
Gigabyte GTX 660 2gb windforce ($270)
Zotac GTX 660 AMP! ($279)
other than MSI that's all my options. there's also ASUS 650ti Boost ($248) and Gigabyte 650ti Boost ($240). I'm leaning towards MSI provided the limited choice but if other brand above are more reliable please advise me ^_^ i know from reviews MSI is silent.
Also.. why i picked GTX660was because i was about to get GTX 650Ti Boost, but MSI one ($218) aren't available on my island ATM, and ASUS 650Ti Boost cost ($248) so might as well get GTX 660 / R9 270 since 650ti boost $248 -> 660 / r9 270 $258 is only $10 diff.
4) PSU : really confused. initially i wanted to get Seasonic G550 ($130), not available. Also wanted to get Seasonic M12II 520W ($110), no stock. Decided to stretch the budget.
Corsair RM550 Gold ($147)
pros :: optimized for silence, and build to theoretically eliminate coil whine.
cons :: capxon capacitors from reviews made me really really worried abt getting it
Seasonic X560 ($173),
pros :: X series
cons :: my budget was $130 for PSU, stretching $145 is fine, but stretching to $173, i don't know whether the price jump compare to the others will improve reliability and noise level or not. Will it?
Super Flower Golden King Platinum 550W ($140)
pros :: Jonnyguru and other reviewers rave about it. I read somewhere it has ECO mode where the fan is off on low load... is it?
Cons :: Superflower, not familiar with the brand, website is not informative and well-organized
Seasonic G650 ($148)
pros :: my initial choice, just bigger wattage
Cons :: is it not overkill for my usage?
feel free to recommend anything from this link
if you think my PSU choices are overkill. Also, skip all <500W if its bronze and skip all Antec. they don't have the stock here
= Why I chose Noctua because CM 212 cost $55 might as well stretch.
= All RAM Cost the same $110-$120, $3 difference between patriot viper gskill ripjaws and corsair vengeance isnt saving so i chose corsair vengeance with that logic.
= Yes, no define R4 here yet, and define R3 is no stock. feel free to help me choose between bitfenix ghost / nzxt h2 / carbide 330r
i dont like the name carbide but i like the looks though... but if the other 2 alternatives are more quiet, please feel free to advise me
=========Not important but reason why if you're wondering why i just don't look in other places if the PC shops area don't have stocks. is because....
Addendum:When parts aren't available on the island, it usually takes 3-4 months to restock, also if one PC shop don't have the parts then (95% of the time) all the PC shops on the city won't have stock, because PC components Shop are concentrated in one area, and the PC Shop don't hv stock for the goods. When a buyer have "oral agreement agreeing to buy", the PC shop will go to the distributor and get the goods (which located in the same area). More like a PC Middleman Shop than a PC shop really
Addendum 2 : If you're wondering about my extensive question regarding reliabilities, it's because aftersales on this island is subpar to say the least. So, i don't really care about warranty so much as your experiences and QC from the factory itself.
No point of being under warranty if when a part is broken i have to wait 3~6 months for RMA, and even when i get the goods back, sometimes it's another customer swapped RMA goods..
(happens more often than a customer would want). So yeah reliability is more important than long / short warranty.
i learned all these in 2 1/2 - 3 weeks from zero so im terribly sorry for the very long and detailed questions... this is my 1st pc and i want to get it right.