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thank you very much for you guys replies... id like to ask about vanity questions now that the difficult stuff hv been dealt with biggrin.gif

im considering changing the noctua cpu cooler fan with some other more colorful fans. im thinking of getting a phanteks or a corsair fans.

what should i research / pay attention to before changing the noctua cpu cooler fans?
other than paying attention whether its a static pressure fans or airflow fans...

I think those phanteks are probably a good option but potentially louder (almost every fan is louder than noctua's).

Try this thread to ask the same question:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1321074/tator-tots-big-quiet-120mm-140mm-fan-round-up/2630#post_21915694
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I think those phanteks are probably a good option but potentially louder (almost every fan is louder than noctua's).

Try this thread to ask the same question:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1321074/tator-tots-big-quiet-120mm-140mm-fan-round-up/2630#post_21915694

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I would tape it as TiezZ Be suggested. You can also create a tight fit by folding a piece of paper and inserting it with the cable (from the side that is lol) but I'd go with the tape method.

Most of the time it's the cable that 's not properly made.

As for shorting out the mobo, that's highly unlikely. You'll just have issues with connectivity if it comes out from one side.

Unless you have another USB 3.0 cable laying around, the cheapest and fastest fix would be to tape in place.


alrighty so... since this is my first PC, all i know when i built it was to make it quiet or silent and have window so i can see what i built

i didn't know how it was gonna look until i assembled it and see the finished product. Because... i never see PC components up close nor do i understand what it does. i literally have zero knowledge of PC components, let alone PC build.

now that all the difficult stuff have been asked and explained with... i thank you all,,, and i'd like to spice things up on my case just a tiny bit and ask a couple vanity questions...

this is how my case looks like from where i sit.


as i see the image above, i think now that i see the components, im gonna go with a VGA with a backplate because it looks cool. probably i'm going to get the MSI GTX 760 mini itx or MSI GTX 760 hawk.

the reason for the VGA upgrade other than wanting to have backplate is that... the dragon head heatsink on the MSI H87 board dissappeared with the long graphic card, the design of the H87 board makes the dragon head covered by the long VGA. unlike say... MSI Z87-GD65. oh well i learn my lesson

1) if i get the MSI 760 mini itx, then i'd assume the dragon head on the heatsink won't be covered by the VGA. however... the backplate have MSI logo on it...


i'd rather not see that logo.

so my question is...

a) can i slap some sticker on that MSI logo? some random sticker or some sticker i got from my SSD like if i slap intel speed demon sticker on that backplate would that be okay?

b) is mini itx video card destined to be noisier than its normal counterpart?

c) how to interpret decibel value in real life?

the 760 mini itx have 26 idle == 31 load db

the 760 hawk have 26 idle == 30 load db

=> how loud is 1 db differences?

*my current msi r9 270x have 25 idle == 27 load db and it's dead quiet on idle and very decent while gaming. its not even loud at all, it's audible though



2) since im using noctua nh-u12s now, im now familiar with how dead quiet the noctua fans are.

since from 2 foot away i barely hear anything with bitfenix shinobi. i assume when my H440 arrive it'd be even more quiet.

so... im considering changing the noctua cpu cooler fan with some other more colorful fans. im thinking of getting a phanteks fans.

corsair only colors the ring, and i like how phanteks colors the fans instead. it looks decent to me.

my question is...

a) do you guys have any other colorful fans recommendation that color the fans all the way like phanteks?
b) what should i research / pay attention to before buying the fans and change the noctua cpu cooler fans?
i know i should check whether its static fans or airflow fans, but other than that what kind of specification should i pay attention to, to know whether the fans will be quiet / loud / good / bad for static / airflow if it isnt stated outright like corsair's...?


3) generally speaking... if i buy a led like bitfenix alchemy... does it have an on / off switch or does it stays on all the time...?

b) do you guys hv any other led recommendation i should check out other than bitfenix alchemy?



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c) how to interpret decibel value in real life?

the 760 mini itx have 26 idle == 31 load db

the 760 hawk have 26 idle == 30 load db

=> how loud is 1 db differences?
A 1dB increase is literally at the point where it's nigh scientifcally impossible to tell the difference.
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Keep in mind that you need to look for a PWM fan with the ~same or better performance than the noctua, when you look for another fan for your cpu cooler

Did you find any 120mm pwm fans from phanteks?

Some random suggestions:
Gelid also has colored (i think with leds) pwm fans. Gelid normally offers reasonable good price/quality
Cooler master jet flo's (colored with leds)
Cougar vortex pwm

Bare in mind that all those fans are probably louder than your noctua pwm fan.

Can't help you with that other question, I don't care that much for looks (I care for functionality first, looks are less important to me personally)

But I'd wait with getting another graphics card, a gtx760 isn't going to give you a noticeable performance increase. Nvidia is going to release their new 800 serie cards this year. Then you could get another mid-end card with a backplate and better performance (and possibly DirectX 12 ready)
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Keep in mind that you need to look for a PWM fan with the ~same or better performance than the noctua, when you look for another fan for your cpu cooler

Did you find any 120mm pwm fans from phanteks?

Some random suggestions:
Gelid also has colored (i think with leds) pwm fans. Gelid normally offers reasonable good price/quality
Cooler master jet flo's (colored with leds)
Cougar vortex pwm

Bare in mind that all those fans are probably louder than your noctua pwm fan.

Can't help you with that other question, I don't care that much for looks (I care for functionality first, looks are less important to me personally)

But I'd wait with getting another graphics card, a gtx760 isn't going to give you a noticeable performance increase. Nvidia is going to release their new 800 serie cards this year. Then you could get another mid-end card with a backplate and better performance (and possibly DirectX 12 ready)

im using a 60hz 1080p monitor... i tried benchmarking yesterday with the start benchmark feature from the game, tomb raider, on low normal and ultra, all i got for min max and avg for all is 59-60 fps.
i've read reviews that on ultra i could've get something like 70-ish fps. and im sure it'd have been higher on lower settings. i only always get 60fps on the game's own benchmarking feature... is that because im using 60hz monitor?

yeah i've noticed that gtx 760 released in the mid of last year. Contextually... since i live in developing countries, price for PC parts are quite inflated in comparison to say,, newegg's. i bought the R9 270x for $290 and if i sell it say tomorrow, i'd probably get $240-$245 at most. the price for gtx760 either HAWK or mini itx is $340 atm. so, it's an extra $100-$120 in my prediction.

With that in mind... i've read reviews saying that it's 10% faster than r9 270x... i really don't know how fast is 10% in game in general anw. i don't think a 4 FPS difference would matter much since im using a 60hz monitor... do you think it's dumb to buy gtx 760 now?

btw... why is it advisable to find PWM fans for CPU cooler fans..., is it because PWM fans can be controlled without going full power 12 volt like normal fans?
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60fps max: Do you have v-sync on in the catalyst control center???


PWM fan because your cpu header on the motherboard is PWM controlled. (You'll need to look in the manual if the cpu header is able to do voltage control for 3 pin fans, but I would just stay with pwm control for the CPU fan.)


If you wait till the end of the year and save some extra cash you will be able to get a 800 series card with better performance (probably around $350-400). And you'll still be able to sell your 270x for around 180-200, DirectX12 is going to be revealed in the next days/weeks so after the preview we may know more (if you'll need a new card to use it).
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60fps max: Do you have v-sync on in the catalyst control center???


PWM fan because your cpu header on the motherboard is PWM controlled. (You'll need to look in the manual if the cpu header is able to do voltage control for 3 pin fans, but I would just stay with pwm control for the CPU fan.)


If you wait till the end of the year and save some extra cash you will be able to get a 800 series card with better performance (probably around $350-400). And you'll still be able to sell your 270x for around 180-200, DirectX12 is going to be revealed in the next days/weeks so after the preview we may know more (if you'll need a new card to use it).

i'll get back to the v-sync and vga question much later. thank you very much for being so helpful smile.gif

alrighty... now i'd like to go back a few steps and ask about fans and its connectors on more details... so from what i've read so far and from your answer from a week ago, i'd like to review what i've known so far.

There are 2 types of connectors 3 pin and 4 pin connectors. there is also generally 2 types of fans. 1 that's good for case fans with good airflow, and one that's good for radiator / heatsink fans with good static pressure. CFM is cubic feet per minute, and static is measured by mm h2o and the bigger the better, if it's less than 1 mm h2o then its not good. there is this thing called PWM as well.
Difference between 3 pin fans and PWM fans is that 3 pin fans run continously at its rated speed, while PWM fans run depending on the temp and can also be controlled by the board PWM feature or speedfan software.

is my understanding so far so good? please correct me if there's something i got wrong.

1) I still dont understand what rated speed means. I also read about people saying that they run their fans at 5V / 7V / 12V. is that what rated speed means? so rated speed is not max speed.
== so if my understanding i correct, rated speed means if a fan spec on the product page is 2000 rpm, then it'll run at 2000 rpm at the default 12V, but if we undervolt it to 5V or 7V then it'll run at 830 RPM and 1120 RPM respectively.
is that correct?

2) if that's correct, how can i undervolt to 7V / 5V, is there another hardware / cable / adapter or stuff i have to purchase to undervolt it, or is it via software? if so, what sofware?

3) i understand from your previous answer a week ago that there is this component called fan controllers. However... im going to get a H440 case soon as it's available where i live. it doesnt have 5.25 drive bay. so... does that mean fan controllers are out? generally... what's the size of fan controllers? is it 5.25?

4) this is stupid but... does 4 pin fans and PWM is one and the same, or is there a 4 pin fans with PWM and without PWM?

5) the fan splitter you mentioned a week ago, .
is that generally comes with the fan or do i have to buy it separately...? you know... like similar to how i have to buy sata data cable every time i buy a new hdd. (since my board only gives 2 frown.gif )

6) i asked the Q no.5 not because i'm lazy to google but apparently after googling, while i can find regular sata data cable here for around 50 cents,, i couldn't find 3 pin fan splitter like your pict being sold here frown.gif

7) also related to Q no 5... when i built my PC, i did it while watching this very detailed how to build a PC 3 hours long youtube videos... i plug my 2 case fans to SYSFAN1 and SYSFAN2 (and thankfully my case only provides 2 fans exactly like the video)... but if i buy say 2 more fans... where do i plug in the fan when SYSFAN are full? is it directly to the PSU molex cable?

8) if 3-pin extra fans are supposed to be connected to PSU molex cable when the board SYSFAN are full, how do i know which 3 holes of the molex cable to connect it to?

9) another dumb question, why on review site like jonnyguru, when they list all the type of connector / cables that comes with the PSU... they always write 5.25"+5.25"+5.25"+3.5" drive for the molex cable. so my Q is.. why does molex cable called 5.25" drive? or does that 5+5+5+3.5 cable they state on jonnyguru review is a different cable than the molex cable?

hahaha lol biggrin.gif


that's all my Q for 3-pin fans... after this i have a couple questions about extensions but i'll keep it for later since 9 Q is already a lot hehe biggrin.gif
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1) yes

2) you can undervolt with a adapter (cable) connected straight to the psu but that will result in having no control of the fanspeed. When the fans are connected to your SYSFAN headers you can control the fanspeed through bios and some mobo manufacturers provide additional software for that.

3) the fancontrollers i've seen are 5.25, there are also cheaper pci bracket fancontrollers

4) 4 pin fans are usually pwm fans, you can connect them on a 3 pin header but some of the pwm fans produce a 'clicking' sound when you do that.

5) and 6) I bought my 3 pin Y splitter seperately, also my 4 pin sata powered pwm splitter was bought seperately

7) that could work too, if you connect 2 fans on the 2 SYSFAN headers and 2 other fans on the psu, but then you should look into a adapter to undervolt those 2 extra fans or search for some lowspeed fans (because of the noise when running a 1500-2000+ rpm fan at 12V).

8) there are adapters for that. Some fans are provided with adapters (not all). The ones i've seen provided with fans are just 12V molex adapters
But there are also some undervolt adapters with molex connection.
example: http://www.overclock.net/t/1288048/question-about-using-different-fans-on-corsair-h80#post_17832287

9) can you post a URL of such a review, that would be more easier to understand i think.


Try to look further for some adapters, if you can find a sata or molex powered 4 pin PWM splitter you could
get 2 extra PWM fans (instead of 3 pin fans) and split the CPU header to connect them so the speed is adjusted by the BIOS (or additional software)


FYI: I advice you to get at least 1 more intake fan than outtake fans, if your case has dust filters @ the intake fans. So you create a positive pressure in the case and get less dust in your case

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There are 2 types of connectors 3 pin and 4 pin connectors. there is also generally 2 types of fans. 1 that's good for case fans with good airflow, and one that's good for radiator / heatsink fans with good static pressure. CFM is cubic feet per minute, and static is measured by mm h2o and the bigger the better, if it's less than 1 mm h2o then its not good. there is this thing called PWM as well.
Difference between 3 pin fans and PWM fans is that 3 pin fans run continously at its rated speed, while PWM fans run depending on the temp and can also be controlled by the board PWM feature or speedfan software.


Main difference of 3pin an 4 pin pwm fans, IF you use the appropriate headers on the mobo:
3 pin fan on the 3 pin header will be controlled by voltage regulation
4 pin fans on a 4 pin PWM CPU header (note: not all 4 pin headers are PWM headers, but you can ignore this if all your SYSFAN headers are 3pin headers) will get 12V continuously but speed will be regulated through "interuption" of the 12V signal
pwm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation
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i have some stuff about 4 pin fans / PSU / and led to discuss, but i'll wrap that up for later to ask for this noisy wd red seeking noise i just realized after 3 weeks....

from reviews i assume it should be quieter than WD green. i never have an internal WD green but i have a couple external 3.5" mybook (which is green? CMIIW), so im familiar with it's seeking sound and the fan-like noise it generates.
on my PC, the WD red when being accessed, even when i just use it to create new folder, or just accessing it to enter some folders, it emits a clack clock clack clock sound quite loud that it's noticeable from 3 feet away.
1 thing to note... it's very qyuet when not being accessed at all though. when i just use the SSD and not use the WD red at all, it hardly emits any sound. but as soon as i access it, it's clack clack clack clack clack, like marbles falling to the floor.

it's at least three times louder than wd green seeking noise. so.. its alarmingly loud to me. but again, i have zero experience on wd drive.
initially i thought it was the drive dying. i tried crystaldisk info, and it's reported good. the smart and extended test with WD datalifeguard diagnostics also reported good.

i tried gaming with it, and when i stand still in an area with no enemy, then no sound, but when i go to new environment, i assume the drive renders or smthn, then its clack clack clack again.

is this common behavior with WD red?

im going to try RMA the drive though i'm quite concern that the local distributor probably won't accept it because smart test on crystaldiskinfo is showing everything is just fine.and im honestly too lazy to argue with them.

is there any test i should conduct before going to local distributor to RMA it?
btw, if i RMA, this'll be my first internal RMA drive claim.. does RMA means i'll get a refurbish drive?
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Doesn't sound right, did you contact the seller or WD about this?
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