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At long last, I am preparing to move from my Q6600/P5Q3 Deluxe rig to something a little less 2008.

Here's a preemptive TL,DR:

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I am only looking to upgrade the CPU, Board, and RAM. I already have a 7950HD and a 256GB SSD.

CPU: Looking at i7-4770k vs i5-4670k.
Board: Probably Z87 unless the pros (you) recommend something different.
RAM: 16GB of something. Halp!

All in, I would like to spend less than $700. I plan to use this machine for the next 5 years.

I am currently using a Corsair H80i, but I have been considering my first custom loop as well, but that is another project.

I also have a 750w Cooler Master Real Power Pro supply which I believe will be enough to power the new gear.

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Now, to the TL portion:

Less editing, more Pew Pew Pew

The first issue I'm facing is whether or not it's necessary for me to go with the i7 over the i5. From what I've read, the only REAL difference is the HT, and I don't (currently) do any video editing or CAD. That doesn't mean that I won't dabble in that stuff in the next 5 years, because HD video is so standard on Point and Shoots these days, that it's bound to happen. On the whole, I will be using it for gaming and recording/editing music (guitar via usb mixer) 95% of the time.

A Board is a board is a board. Or is it?

In terms of a board, I am looking for the basics: Socket 1150, Supports 32GB, lots of PCIe 3.0, USB 3.0, SATA 6Gb/s, and supports the overclocking of the unlocked CPU. I'm not a crazy overclocker, but I'll make use of the K. I don't have any plans to install a second GPU, I probably won't use the RAID, and WIFI isn't required. I am not a brand slut, but I also understand that you get what you pay for. I am more concerned about quality, functionality, port placement, etc. than I am about fancy colours and brand names. I currently have a mid-sized tower, so any ATX board will do. I have been considering the ASUS Z87-A.

As long the memory doesn't leak wink.gif

The RAM issue is really where I'm having trouble. There is so much noise out there about CAS timings, bandwidth and voltage issues that I'd like a clear and concise suggestion on what will suit my needs. Obviously, I would like to push as high of bandwidth as possible (OC included) so that my machine will run fast for as long as possible, but I've heard that the Haswell 1.5v recommended max limits my options. All in all, I'm useless in this category and your help would be appreciated. With that said, I have been looking at the G.Skill Ripjaws X Series.

Please do not hesitate to point out anything I've overlooked, and if you know of a great vendor that will cut me a better deal than TigerDirect or Canada Computers, I'm all ears.

Thank you in advance!

edit: Whoops, I posted this in general instead of Intel frown.gif Sorry mods, go easy on me.
Edited by staticfactory - 1/9/14 at 9:46am
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As an owner of a Z87-Pro, I say don't go Asus for Z87. They're expensive for what you get, and there's something funky about their power saving scheme (I only have mine because I got it on CL for nothing biggrin.gif).

I recommend the Gigabyte UD3H or D3H. Both boards have exceptional power delivery systems for the money, which is the main thing I look for in a motherboard.

Also, a 4670k is plenty of CPU. It's not like it's a slouch at video editing/CAD, and is that tiny speedboost in something you would dabble in at most really worth $100?

As for RAM, brand isn't as important as the actual chips the RAM use. 1.35v or 1.5v CAS9 DDR3 1600 RAM is what you want from haswell, but you'd get more specific advice from the RAM section.

The 4670k and 7950 work really well together, you'll be pleased thumb.gif
Edited by brucethemoose - 1/9/14 at 9:52am
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First hand experience is so valuable, thank you brucethemoose. You are probably right in that I don't need to go over the top on the 4770k... a lot of what I'm reading suggests that there really isn't $100 worth of gain.

The UD3H board looks really nice too, and the price point is even nicer! Thanks for the suggestion.
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And I'd say 8gb of ram is plenty already, unless maybe you do some heavy editing/audio I guess you could save there.
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Here's what I ended up grabbing:

Intel Core i5-4670K
Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H
16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series

So far I am absolutely shocked at how much of a performance gain I'm seeing over my Q6600, and it's still stock. I'm pretty excited to get this thing overclocked and see what it can REALLY do.

Thanks for suggesting that I avoid the Asus board Bruce -- I did some reading and found that there are a lot of disappointed users out there. My Asus P5Q3 Deluxe board was really solid for 6 years, so I'm happy to leave Asus as a satisfied customer.

I also found that there are lots of opinions regarding the best choice for RAM. Going G.Skill was almost a no-brainer after browsing the memory forums. While there is a lot of discussion about the benefits of going 2133 (or 2400) over 1600, the price difference was negligible, so I figured "Why Not?"
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