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A 27-inch 1440p IPS monitor is almost $1,000 (and a touchscreen increases that price even more). Once you subtract the monitor cost, the price is quite reasonable. The fact that the components are user replaceable and industry standard means that you could buy a cheaper version and upgrade later (or buy an expensive version and incrementally update).

27" 1440 IPS panels are dirt cheap. You can get a fully assembled display for as low as $300, just like how Fateful_Ikkou said. Adding touch compatibility shouldn't magically blow the price up either. Touchscreens are a dime a dozen these days. You can get a touchscreen phone for $0 with a contract. You can get an iPod Touch for $230. Sure this screen is a lot bigger but that doesn't justify the cost.

The 27" iMac is still the king in the AIO market. It's cheaper and you get a lot more bang for your buck.
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A 27-inch 1440p IPS monitor is almost $1,000 (and a touchscreen increases that price even more). Once you subtract the monitor cost, the price is quite reasonable. The fact that the components are user replaceable and industry standard means that you could buy a cheaper version and upgrade later (or buy an expensive version and incrementally update).
From Apple it's about $1000. From Dell you're looking at $700.

The cost is... subjective. Technically it's the same cost as the stock high end iMac despite having a lot weaker CPU and GPU. The Z1 G2 is offering upgradability though, which the iMac doesn't. And it also offers the only "Xeon" path in an all-in-one if that's what you're looking for.
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i work for HP, their consumer line of products are garbage and so is their support thumb.gif
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i work for HP, their consumer line of products are garbage and so is their support thumb.gif

Maybe so but my company just switched from Dell to HP and their new business laptops are great
    
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The layout and design is impressive. Also, an AIO with adequate cooling? Colour me surprised.
The company I work for is an authorized service provider for HP, among others, and while I would definitely recommend to avoid all HP laptops and desktops, their workstation and server products are not bad. Given, you'll still get the infamous dead HDD's on the workstations. One of my senior techs was saying the HP HDD diagnostic tool (one you access from the BIOS) will pass with 15% or less bad sectors... Their hdd screening process is the worst in the industry. Their server HDD are a different story, I can't knock those. They obviously must meet much higher standards.

Yes.. yes I'm aware it's all the same hdd brands but HP still has to run in house validation on the hdd samples before putting them in machines.
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The layout and design is impressive. Also, an AIO with adequate cooling? Colour me surprised.
The company I work for is an authorized service provider for HP, among others, and while I would definitely recommend to avoid all HP laptops and desktops, their workstation and server products are not bad. Given, you'll still get the infamous dead HDD's on the workstations. One of my senior techs was saying the HP HDD diagnostic tool (one you access from the BIOS) will pass with 15% or less bad sectors... Their hdd screening process is the worst in the industry. Their server HDD are a different story, I can't knock those. They obviously must meet much higher standards and real world.

Yes.. yes I'm aware it's all the same hdd brands but HP still has to run in house validation on the hdd samples before putting them in machines.
Maybe. They certainly make it sound like it does, but I'd reserve judgement until we see some benchmarks with temps under various loads. AIO's are hot by nature, and the Z1G2 will even be using a desktop GPU.
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The layout and design is impressive. Also, an AIO with adequate cooling? Colour me surprised.
The company I work for is an authorized service provider for HP, among others, and while I would definitely recommend to avoid all HP laptops and desktops, their workstation and server products are not bad. Given, you'll still get the infamous dead HDD's on the workstations. One of my senior techs was saying the HP HDD diagnostic tool (one you access from the BIOS) will pass with 15% or less bad sectors... Their hdd screening process is the worst in the industry. Their server HDD are a different story, I can't knock those. They obviously must meet much higher standards and real world.

Yes.. yes I'm aware it's all the same hdd brands but HP still has to run in house validation on the hdd samples before putting them in machines.
Maybe. They certainly make it sound like it does, but I'd reserve judgement until we see some benchmarks with temps under various loads. AIO's are hot by nature, and the Z1G2 will even be using a desktop GPU.

Now that I think of it you're right. Cooling a Xeon with what is essentially a laptop cooler might result in excessive throttling/loss of performance which is not uncommon for AIO's using laptop CPU's. IMHO they should use a cooling design similar to Titan/780/780TI with a long fin array on top of a vapour chamber. It almost seems like with mobile/compact designs, cooling is almost always where they skimp on to save space, which is a bit sad.

There's a certain science that goes behind designing products to break shortly after the warranty expires. Unfortunately HP has not mastered this as their business laptops/desktops tend to break down around 2 times before the warranty expires.
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i work for HP, their consumer line of products are garbage and so is their support thumb.gif

I work for Apple, the products are great for their customers and I do a very good job of making sure their support is great thumb.gif
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Now that I think of it you're right. Cooling a Xeon with what is essentially a laptop cooler might result in excessive throttling/loss of performance which is not uncommon for AIO's using laptop CPU's. IMHO they should use a cooling design similar to Titan/780/780TI with a long fin array on top of a vapour chamber. It almost seems like with mobile/compact designs, cooling is almost always where they skimp on to save space, which is a bit sad.

There's a certain science that goes behind designing products to break shortly after the warranty expires. Unfortunately HP has not mastered this as their business laptops/desktops tend to break down around 2 times before the warranty expires.
I don't think it'll encounter throttling unless it's packing a highly clocked 8-core w/ HT and a desktop GPU. The iMac manages to run fine without throttling with one fan cooling an i7 4770 and a GTX 780M. But I do believe the temps will be either be hot and quiet or cool and loud. I don't think you can build an all-in-one that both runs cool and quiet with high end hardware.

Haha that's funny, but yeah no kidding. If they can make it break after the warranty then that's just more business.
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That is a very impressive design indeed. I wonder when we will be able to have a high end gaming GPU in a form factor like this. The swiveling display and hinge door to access the internals and the tool less design are awesome.
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