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Originally Posted by mindblowingj View Post

No, I believe he saying youre a troll for spouting disinformation based on your (limited) experience with one single chip. Yes, it is possible to moderately overclock most recent CPU's on their stock cooler, however NO the maximum results will not be any similar between an aftermarket cooler and the stock ones. Becasue YOU don't have the need for it, because your limitations are not temperature based doesn't mean it is the case for others, as it is one of the most limiting factors for overclock in general and for most people here, and if you are not able to understand something like that, then yes i'd agree with giving you the distinction of "troll".

Ok i respect your opinion
But i dont think its "disinformation"
I see people giving Misinformation
to people with a lower tech level than mine
and i dont think its a moderate Overclock
taking an old athlon X3 from 3.1 to 3.9.
stable on a stock cooler.
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Originally Posted by STUNTDEVIL View Post

Ok i respect your opinion
But i dont think its "disinformation"
I see people giving Misinformation
to people with a lower tech level than mine
and i dont think its a moderate Overclock
taking an old athlon X3 from 3.1 to 3.9.
stable on a stock cooler.
Just because your experience is as it is doesn't define that for others really. No CPU is exactly the same even in the exact same batch. As long as they test within the limits imposed by the manufacturer they are binned as such or binned down to the next grade down. A further factor is that some chips will leak current more, resulting in greater heat output. In extreme cases the same exact 2 chips can have a 10c difference at their worst because of the luck of the draw. Those with the far lower temps are either then binned for mobile use or just passed along as the intended grade. Such chips tend to be dubbed 'golden' due to their temps and ability to overclock significantly more due to the electrical efficiency.

In the case of hotter running cpu's from a batch the stock heatsink sometimes is just sufficient enough but won't cope beyond much more. Combine with certain other factors such as ambient temps or even the case as some cases have worse airflow than others sometimes necessitating a different cooling solution based on those factors. I respect that you're all for the stock cooler as it's generally the cheapest solution and temps can be helped with better airflow. I myself have pulled a 700-800mhz bump on an Opteron 170 or even 900mhz on this Opteron 1389 with a lapped old-style 4 heatpipe cooler from AMD with a higher fin density but sometimes you just need that extra bump in an overclock with an aftermarket cooler to feel victorious. thumb.gif

edit: to add in... an aftermarket cooler with better performance while bringing in better temps can help you lower the voltages needed to achieve the same overclock. This further results in even lower temps resulting in even less fan noise for quieter computing. If so desired can even take that extra headroom to push your CPU further. This is overclock.net afterall... and for some - there are no limits to squeezing every last drop out of their setup.

Edited by Chozo4 - 1/10/14 at 1:32am
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What you don't think of is that a 100+ cooler gives you better temperatures and usually less noise, which means they are useful for overclocking the CPU out of spec. At stock speeds you do not need anything more than the free fans already provided to you by AMD or intel. Especially if you raise the voltages on the CPU a good CPU cooler shines.
    
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My little athlon II x3 has been doing 3.9 for 2 years on the stock cooler
Under the max temp
Who actually hit 100% in real life for more than an hour?
Running prime 95 for 24 hours is not more stable than prime for 30mins.
These are myths .



ME

just the other day when i was converting a movie and burning it.


4 hours at 96% for a 30 gig movie
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There are people that have 10 kids and 4 wives "I kid you not"
Thats not the point After market cooler make minimal difference
before 4.5. And long stress test are a waste of time.
If you dont fail in the first 30mins its a 90% chance you wont fail at all

Edit:Bitcoin mining? 6 months ago that was a joke

keeping my cpu cooler helps me to tweak more mhz out of my system.

That $100 premium intel charges per 100mhz, I got like 10 of those premiums, out of a $50 block of copper bro.
post #16 of 20
Only a real water cooling loop will help to increase the clocks a bit...thing.that doesnt worth for an athlon
post #17 of 20
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The "stock" heatsink fan on an AMD Athlon II X3 is actually a decent unit, and comparable to many third-party coolers on the market. Just because it's stock doesn't mean it's crap. If you compare that Athlon II HSF to something like, say, a Intel i7-3770K stock HSF - you'll quickly notice how inferior the Intel stock HSF is compared to your heat pipe-endowed high fin density copper baseplate AMD heatsink.

Greg

Hello Greg,

The "stock" HSF that comes with the Athlon II series is as follows:


Credit: http://www.3sfmedia.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=341&zenid=00ffb6051060987244cf1e3a7ef105ae

This block of aluminum with fins and a ~3500rpm thin profile fan came with (and continues to come) with all 100W TDP and below AMD CPUs. It is no better than the stock HSF that Intel has shipped with most of their CPUs over the last many years. In fact, I believe it to be worse, as the Intel version has a copper slug and a deeper fan design that effectively cools up to ~100W chips with less noise under a full load.

3.9ghz on a Rana is not out of the question here though. Especially if it started life as a 455 series or better (3.3-3.4ghz stock clocks). ~15% overclock is pretty doable if the case is well ventilated. My propus would run with a similar amount of OC on the stock cooler also (2.9ghz stock, ~3.3ghz max stable). Although this CPU cooler isn't particularly great, it works well enough on the 40nm chips. I was surprised at how "good" this CPU cooler worked for the Athlon II series as well. On 32nm PileDriver it is actually worse in my experience, much worse.


The HSF you are describing, which has shipped with 125-140W TDP parts from AMD over the last many years, is as follows:

Credit: http://techreport.com/review/16744/battle-of-the-elements-air-vs-water-cpu-cooler-showdown/4

This HSF, albeit noisy, is actually quite effective. Capable of dissipation ~150W+. Often, the difference in price between a 95W and 125W TDP rated part is worth it just to get this better cooler into a budget build in order to avoid needing to buy aftermarket, (due to the poor performance of the "basic block" cooler on these chips).

Regards,
Eric
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Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about -- the second one. I thought the X3 had the same HSF as the X4 - I can see why the X3 one would have a much lower thermal dissipation. Thanks for the clarification!

Greg
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Greg,

The Propus X4 comes with the same CPU cooler as the Rana X3. They are both classified as "95W TDP" parts, and as such come with the same CPU cooler.

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AMD actually shipped about 5 different variations of that heatsink. One was hsown in the past couple of posts.

The most efficient yet bulkiest ones was the 'AVC Z8UH408003' which actually has 4 clips on top to mount an 80mm fan on the top of the sink and had the highest fin count of the variants. This one after a good lapping actually proved to be a very good contender compared to many heatsinks still today. This one was occasionally shipped with the older socket 939 opterons.


They eventually stepped down to the ones with lower fin count usually noted by having the 4 'copper feet' on the smaller copper base which used a 70mm fan instead. This one was most commonly shipped with the phenom and athlon x2 lineup. it's still distributed today but without the extra 'copper feet' on the bottom as shown in the past couple posts.


Then onto the one with the embedded fan but similar square copper base...


There was also a 2 heatpipe variant at one point with similar appearance but my neck is killing me too much to look deep enough to find it right now.
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