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This may or may not be the right spot for this...

BUT!!!!

None the less... I am NO PLUMBER!!!! So I have never dipped my feet into true water cooling...

But long story short... Over the last 6-7 years I've owned a H50, H55, H70 and a H100i... the H100i is by far the most overrated smoke and mirrors product ever...

Dunno if I got a dud, or if it's an error on my part... but after making the jump to haswell and delidding my 4770K... only to then realize it's a ***** clocker... I have been extremely disappointed with the H100i

4.4Ghz with 1.356 V and I'm idleing at 46C and loading at 76 that's WAY to big a gap... I've reseated the CPU block, no joke 5x and re-tim'd it each time...

No joy.

So I'm planning to RMA it ASAP. and switch to either of these...

My question is which would be better?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835146028

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103198

THANKS! thumb.gif
post #2 of 16
those temps sound pretty tolerable to me. do you have the fan profile set on quiet?
 
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post #3 of 16
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Well I actually have the fan's connected to my Cases onboard fan controller rather than the H100i... and I run them at 3/4ths speed... So it's set to be pretty quiet, was just hopping this would run cooler...

And I have 8 fans total in the case ATM...

Also My pump sometimes makes a low grinding noise... which has me expecting a failure...

EDIT 1:

I'm also open to other suggestions... But bare in mind this...

I would like to buy exclusively from Newegg.... And I want to keep this under $200

And is MX-4 the best TIM or should I try something else?

EDIT 2:

More I read more I want to give the Kraken a shot... Just really don't want to go through the PITA or ripping out the H100i, gutting the system and having to reassemble with the Kraken for just 2-3C variance.

I want cold. Like idle @ 20C cold... and Load at 65C while running Prime...

Part of me thinks I may just suck it up and ride it out with the H100i... mad.gif
Edited by alucardis666 - 1/10/14 at 2:31pm
post #4 of 16
IMO the cpu mount of the "i" series blows goats.

Take the mount off and tweak the mounting tabs up just slightly on the edge of a flat surface. It will preload the mounting screws enough to help get a GOOD seat on the spreader.

I had an 80i a buddy couldn't get to work mounted on my system (delidded/lapped 4770k) that ran 7-9C warmer than my H55 .... I reseated it and it dropped a couple ..... I tweaked the mounted and it ran 4-6C cooler.

Personally I don't like all the wiring connections of the i series but after the tweak it did perform better than my H55.

SS
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IMO the cpu mount of the "i" series blows goats.

Take the mount off and tweak the mounting tabs up just slightly on the edge of a flat surface. It will preload the mounting screws enough to help get a GOOD seat on the spreader.

I had an 80i a buddy couldn't get to work mounted on my system (delidded/lapped 4770k) that ran 7-9C warmer than my H55 .... I reseated it and it dropped a couple ..... I tweaked the mounted and it ran 4-6C cooler.

Personally I don't like all the wiring connections of the i series but after the tweak it did perform better than my H55.

SS

Good to know, may be something to look into. Thanks.
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Good to know, may be something to look into. Thanks.
My pleasure. keep us posted. thumb.gif

SS
post #7 of 16
I have the H100i as well on my Haswell and performance is decent. 30 idle and about 60-70 at full rev. I am going to de-lid soon and am considering switching over to the Kraken which seems to have better reported results. Keep us updated
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I have the H100i as well on my Haswell and performance is decent. 30 idle and about 60-70 at full rev. I am going to de-lid soon and am considering switching over to the Kraken which seems to have better reported results. Keep us updated

What OC are you running and what volts? Are you using the stock fans or did you change them out? Also what is your Ambient room temp?

You seem to get 6-7C lower than me..
post #9 of 16
The haswells run much hotter than ivy bridge it seems.. I was asking about this in the intel forum in a haswell thread

I don't want to make you angry at me but, don't expect those coolers you linked to give you a huge performance increase. Closed loop coolers only do so much. The fans on them will be the biggest performance factor when it comes down to it.

Only way to get non-marginal increases in performance is to go custom.

If you are delidded make sure you use CLU or CLP or you won't get that 15-30C temperature drop either
  
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Dunno if I got a dud, or if it's an error on my part... but after making the jump to haswell and delidding my 4770K... only to then realize it's a ***** clocker... I have been extremely disappointed with the H100i

4.4Ghz with 1.356 V and I'm idleing at 46C and loading at 76 that's WAY to big a gap... I've reseated the CPU block, no joke 5x and re-tim'd it each time...

Nothing wrong with those temps at that clock. As already mentioned, Haswell runs hot at higher OC, mostly due to the voltage regulation being on-chip, and the crappy thermal paste Intel used between the IHS and the die. De-lidding might get you a few degrees lower, but personally I don't favor the idea. There's nothing wrong with a 76C high temp. Your idle temps look a little hot though - could be that high voltage you're pushing through it. You SHOULD be using the power management features to keep things cooler at idle.

You're going to have to run those H100i fans at least 1800 RPM to get that chip cooled at that clock. It should be fairly loud at that point. You might be at 3/4 voltage, but that's not the same as 3/4 max RPM -- the fans RPM doesn't scale linearly with voltage. I'm not even going to ask why you don't have the fans attached to the H100i water block - the fan control on the H100i isn't bad at all, although the CorsairLink software is a little crappy.

Lastly, make sure you're pushing with the stock fans, not pulling. The fan profiles don't do so well in pull.

Greg
Edited by hammong - 1/11/14 at 12:30am
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