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Hi guys, new to overclocking and need some advice please?

I am still working to get my system stable at 4.2 but I seem to be getting temps that are quite high for the results. I see a lot of people running much cooler temps with higher overclocks.
I am trying to determine if I have a bad cpu, bad cooler, or maybe bad settings?

My cpu & cooler are:
Gigabyte z87x-ud3h
4770k
Corsair H100i
Arctic Silver 5 paste
2 case fans and H100i fans replaced with Noctua NF-F12's

I have CPU core at 42 w/Turbo enabled and all turbo's set to 42
Uncore set to 42
vCore is at 1.205 right now
C1e, c3, c6/c7, thermal monitor and EIST all disabled

Corsair link shows H100i at ~32.8 degrees after this half hour
H100i fans running at ~940

30 minutes into my OCCT linpack test at the moment with AVX turned off.
Max temp is 85 on core 0, then goes all the way down to 73 on core 3.


Is this heat level normal/acceptable for the 1.205 vCore?
Edited by torchmedia - 1/11/14 at 6:14am
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I see you are using AS5.

Did you employ Arctic Silver's method, as described in the AS5 manual & website, which calls for vertical line application as well as employment of the tinting method on both the CPU IHS as well as the CPU cooler contact IHS?

Did you use isopropyl alcohol (less than 0.1% water) as well as lint-free cloth to carefully and repeatedly clean your CPU and Cooler's contact IHS prior to application of the thermal compound and/or employment of the tinting method?

If all the above is rocket science/chinese to you, don't be surprised of the high temps you are getting.
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post #3 of 14
Clean the ihs and reply TIM like a bean size in the middle
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

Clean the ihs and reply TIM like a bean size in the middle

Do NOT give false advice to people if you do NOT have a clue.

He is using Arctic Silver 5, and Arctic recommend AS5 thermal compound to be applied as a vertical line on 4th generation Intel CPU's, after the tinting method has been used, which they describe in detail in their Arctic Silver 5 manual (which I have read).

There is a reason I posted what I did above, and that reason is I own a 4770k system which I built myself using Arctic Silver 5, after I read the AS5 manual thoroughly. The method of application you suggested is NOT recommended by Arctic.

Next time try to be more responsible when you post advice on the internet, and in any case do not give advice if you don't know what you are talking about.

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It seems to me whenever there is such a drastic difference in temps on each core (10º or more), the only real fix is to delid. Your temps seem average for a Haswell i7. I have the same problems with my 3770k. I will be delidding mine monday when my CLP gets here
 
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post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by Arxontas View Post

Do NOT give false advice to people if you do NOT have a clue.

He is using Arctic Silver 5, and Arctic recommend AS5 thermal compound to be applied as a vertical line on 4th generation Intel CPU's, after the tinting method has been used, which they describe in detail in their Arctic Silver 5 manual (which I have read).

There is a reason I posted what I did above, and that reason is I own a 4770k system which I built myself using Arctic Silver 5, after I read the AS5 manual thoroughly. The method of application you suggested is NOT recommended by Arctic.

Next time try to be more responsible when you post advice on the internet, and in any case do not give advice if you don't know what you are talking about.

cure time for AS5 only will decrease 3 to 5 C... thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Arxontas View Post

Did you employ Arctic Silver's method, as described in the AS5 manual & website, which calls for vertical line application as well as employment of the tinting method on both the CPU IHS as well as the CPU cooler contact IHS?

Did you use isopropyl alcohol (less than 0.1% water) as well as lint-free cloth to carefully and repeatedly clean your CPU and Cooler's contact IHS prior to application of the thermal compound and/or employment of the tinting method?

Yes, I did apply the AS5 as directed by the manual. Since I am new to this, I decide I would re-apply just in case. When I pulled the heat sink off, it showed that the IHS was about 95-98% covered, with nothing reaching over the edges. I did apply in a vertical line.

Since re-appling the AS5, however, I am now running even hotter -- OCCT kicked out after core 0 reached 89 degrees within 45 seconds frown.gif

Max temps were 89 - 86 - 80 - 75

Cores are idling at 45 - 42 - 39 - 38
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Originally Posted by mat459 View Post

It seems to me whenever there is such a drastic difference in temps on each core (10º or more), the only real fix is to delid. Your temps seem average for a Haswell i7. I have the same problems with my 3770k. I will be delidding mine monday when my CLP gets here

I would consider de-lidding but since I can't even be stable at 4.2 yet, should I just go ahead and try to get a replacement (via Newegg)?
Edited by torchmedia - 1/11/14 at 2:52pm
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Before you worry about 4.2 you nee to reach stable and acceptable temps with stock settings. You also need to worry about how much/little tension you have put on your cpu with screwing down the cooler. Having different core temps that far apart can be normal while stressing because they are set to run different tasks.

The arctic TIM application is correct and it should not be spread over the whole chip, only in the center where the cores are. It is conductive so you don't want it to seep out.

Those temp issues are why I switched to water cooling years ago and have yet seen 60c while stressing and rarely see that on even the hottest summer day.
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Originally Posted by Mercyflush64 View Post

Before you worry about 4.2 you nee to reach stable and acceptable temps with stock settings. You also need to worry about how much/little tension you have put on your cpu with screwing down the cooler. Having different core temps that far apart can be normal while stressing because they are set to run different tasks.

The arctic TIM application is correct and it should not be spread over the whole chip, only in the center where the cores are. It is conductive so you don't want it to seep out.

Those temp issues are why I switched to water cooling years ago and have yet seen 60c while stressing and rarely see that on even the hottest summer day.
you have to clarify that water cooling means a real wc loop not a clc
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercyflush64 View Post

Before you worry about 4.2 you nee to reach stable and acceptable temps with stock settings. You also need to worry about how much/little tension you have put on your cpu with screwing down the cooler. Having different core temps that far apart can be normal while stressing because they are set to run different tasks.

The arctic TIM application is correct and it should not be spread over the whole chip, only in the center where the cores are. It is conductive so you don't want it to seep out.

Those temp issues are why I switched to water cooling years ago and have yet seen 60c while stressing and rarely see that on even the hottest summer day.

I apply tension going from corner to corner. On the H100i the screws seem to bottom out on the pegs. This would be worrying me except that as previously mentioned, the thermal paste did look evenly spread across the IHS.
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