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Windows 8.1 works great for me as I'm sure windows 9.x will.

Truth is that people are resitant to change, if it requires retraining, even if the end result is higher efficiency.
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Who cares, M$ made the stupid decision to blanket all their devices with one interface. Even Apple keeps their laptop/desktop and mobile separate, why M$ thought this was a good idea is anyone's guess. I still have yet to see a laptop or desktop user at a library, coffee shop or airport "touch" their screens. M$ screwed up big with Windows 8 and they know it. I'm seeing PC makers offer Windows 7 again most notably Sony's VAIO laptops. There are a few models that come preinstalled with Windows 7. http://store.sony.com/vaio-pro-13-ultrabook-zid27-SVP1321HGXBI/cat-27-catid-All-13-Ultrabook-Pro

It is not one interface. There are two interfaces, a hybrid if you will. The problem isn't that there are two interfaces. The problem is that the two interfaces do not work well with each other, and the transition between the two interfaces is jarring at best. Not to mention, the shuffling around of control panel settings between the two interfaces doesn't really help ease the transition either.
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I feel like I've seen this thread before; or at least the replies. haha
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As a student that gets free Windows software, can't wait to try out Windows 9! I'm on Windows 8.1 Embedded Industry Pro, and it's great! (yes I know Industry version is for Industries... but it works exactly the same as the other options )

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Well how else are people going to throw their money away on DX12
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The fact that they are even still planning to keep Metro in the desktop version of the next Windows is a massive red flag right there. It just shows you how out of touch M$ is nowadays. I expect the every other trend ends with Windows 9.

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i am still running windows 7 64 and im more then happy right now. I dont see the need to change at this point unless windows 9 is completely revamped and brings something new to the table.

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I used XP from 2002-2009 and 7 from 2009-NOW

I tried 8 and couldn't really get used to it. I don't like to constantly upgrade my windows year after year. I like to use it till the very end. Plus there's nothing WRONG with 7 once you make it lean and disable unnecessary services and startup items.

I defragmented mine using my Defrag and it is extremely responsive. I really like how lean it is once you make it lean and it stays lean.

I use Ccleaner and ASC to keep my PC clean too.
The problem with 8 is you have to modify it a lot to make it like 7.

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Windows 7 runs great! smile.gif Don't care !!! tongue.gif

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Yep. I'll steadfastly hold out on my main rig.

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Metro non-sense is still in it...

no thanks.

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So to enjoy Windows 8 all I have to do is ignore the user interface? Awesome!

But do I have to ignore all the issues with the 8.1 update?

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Well that means I won't be upgrading from win7 until at least April next year. Though I'm not all that excited about Metro 2.0 and "Apps". An desktop OS is there to run software not "apps" or "widgets". That fad seriously needs to die.

The one thing that M$ really needs to put more effort into is multi monitor support but as the is directly at odds with an Metro style GUI it does not look like M$ has much interest in doing that.

Well worst case scenario win7 goes the way of XP and stands as the dominant OS for the next 6 years.

Agreed with all of the above Windows 7 is a solid OS and I see absolutely no need to upgrade from it other than to say that you have the latest OS. Windows 7 is here to stay and I see it as the new XP as multiple grpahs show Win 7 is increasing more and more as XP drops off. If these rumors are true I see myself sticking with 7 for a long time along with becoming more proficient in Linux until a proper Windows is released that supersedes Win 7 in functionality, performance and looks.
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Agreed with all of the above Windows 7 is a solid OS and I see absolutely no need to upgrade from it other than to say that you have the latest OS. Windows 7 is here to stay and I see it as the new XP as multiple grpahs show Win 7 is increasing more and more as XP drops off. If these rumors are true I see myself sticking with 7 for a long time along with becoming more proficient in Linux until a proper Windows is released that supersedes Win 7 in functionality, performance and looks.

Businesses make up the large majority of OS usage, and they upgrade at end of support.

Windows 8 surpasses Windows 7 on two of those counts, and 3rd party programs take care of the third.
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Windows 8 has far better multimonitor support than Windows 7. You obviously have never used Windows 8. Also, if you don't want to use mobile apps on your desktop, you don't have to.
SteamOS isn't designed to compete with Windows.

Read Brutuz's sig.

Your definition of improved multimonitor support is very different form my interpretation. You think its better just because it gives you 2 task bars natively. Wopty friking do.The charm menus along with really any monitor border functions suck hard when using multi monitors. The way the start menu/metro works with dual monitors is stupid as hell. Its a waste of space quite literally.

Where is automatic multi monitor spanning? How about some configurable profiles for software on how and on which monitor to open and how to span. How about the possibility to run software full screen across both monitors. How about giving the option to black out the secondary monitors when running full screen stuff (Games, Movies ect.). M$ hasn't done any significant improvements to multi monitor usage since XP so people how use multi monitors will either have to make due or use 3rd party software.
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Are you for real? If it's running in a window it's not really an app anymore. It's just a different UI...

The Qt or wxWidgets UI could look like this and you wouldn't complain, because it just looked different and that's okay...
You can clone the taskbar in multi-monitor setup in Windows 8, and you can even make each taskbar show only the windows that belong to its monitor. It doesn't support cloning the tray however.

I don't dislike it simply because it's different. I dislike it because I feel it erodes my ability to be productive. Its called Windows for crying out loud and that's what originally made the OS good. Being able to run multiple things at once, having several file locations opened at the same time and having the ability to shuffle thous things around. Sure you can run apps in windowed mode for now but that's essentially legacy mode as far as M$ is concerned. Its not the direction they have been pushing for. That's what pisses me off and that's why I hate the idea of "apps" on an desktop.

I don't like the direction M$ is taking windows because its not well suited for an desktop environment where you do multi tasking. Metro is an mobile OS feature. Its designed to maximize the screen real estate of an small screen like that of an tablet. What makes it good for tablets and other mobile devices is the same thing that makes it crap for an desktop.

That same thing extends to the apps and widgets. They share the same design philosophies and thus are not anywhere nearly as well suited for desktops as they are for mobile devices.
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Windows 8.1 works great for me as I'm sure windows 9.x will.

Truth is that people are resitant to change, if it requires retraining, even if the end result is higher efficiency.
it's not higher efficiency if I spend a year learning an OS and upgrade every 2 years.

This is kind of hypothetical, but demonstrates my point; If I had upgraded to windows 8 -

35% of the life of the OS (windows 8) spent at an average of 50% efficiency - This is me learning how to windows 8

65% of the life of the OS (windows 8) spent at 110% efficiency - This is me cruising along with what may well be a better OS

Average efficiency - 89% Not worth :/








Now take this to your corporate work area and quit shuffling people around every 3 months.
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I bet at least half of those things you're asking would require a complete rewriting of the OS and breaking of backwards compatibility. As far as I know, there is no program that will take two screens and span a full screen program across them. Blacking out secondary monitors, really? Just turn them off. And there is no program that I can find (in a quick Google search) that will provide that functionality. The only functionality that is provided by a third party program that I can find is binding of a program to a specific monitor. However, from what I read, Windows will usually open the program on the last monitor it was closed in, so not sure why this is a big concern for you. Seems like you're just trying to come up with whatever faults you can find.

I can hit charms menu just fine on my multimonitor setup. Or any hot corner for that matter. Frankly, I don't find the Start Screen to be a waste of space either, as it's never up unless I'm opening a program not pinned to my taskbar. And it's absolutely no different from Windows 7 to starting up the program (pinned tiles vs pinned shortcuts) in time for me.

Can they provide more customization options? I'm sure they can. Should they spend the man-hours to make it customizable to each person's liking? Debatable. It would definitely drive up costs. I'm sure many companies would not be happy if Microsoft did that though. Stardock for one. Binary Fortress for another. And any other company that provides UI enhancements and tweaks.

Also, Microsoft gives you the choice of not using apps or widgets. Just because they're included doesn't mean you're forced to use them. The traditional desktop isn't going anywhere because they need to cater to enterprise.
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it's not higher efficiency if I spend a year learning an OS and upgrade every 2 years.

This is kind of hypothetical, but demonstrates my point; If I had upgraded to windows 8 -

35% of the life of the OS (windows 8) spent at an average of 50% efficiency - This is me learning how to windows 8

65% of the life of the OS (windows 8) spent at 110% efficiency - This is me cruising along with what may well be a better OS

Average efficiency - 89% Not worth :/








Now take this to your corporate work area and quit shuffling people around every 3 months.

That is why enterprise and corporate doesn't upgrade with every new OS. They upgrade at the end of support lifecycles, which in the case of Windows 7, is in 2020.
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