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Have proof of this?
I beg to differ... it's already widely adopted, most servers use them, and people use android (which is a fork of linux).
Can you imagine the average person being able to remember and type in commands in the terminal, something that can be done with a simple point-and-click through a few menus in Windows?
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Can you imagine the average person being able to remember and type in commands in the terminal, something that can be done with a simple point-and-click through a few menus in Windows?

man, you can tell who has interaction with end users and who doesn't. lol.
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i have taught my mother how to use torrents, the difference between .avi, .mp4, .mkv and how to use a htpc and wdtv live. but in reality she is not representative of most users. ymmv.

What are the differences? .AVI, .MP4, and .MKV.? and torrents, really? HTPC is a compact desktop...and wdtv live is a video streamer...so I don't even know how any of that relates...
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i have taught my mother how to use torrents, the difference between .avi, .mp4, .mkv and how to use a htpc and wdtv live. but in reality she is not representative of most users. ymmv.

Yeah though doing the transition form win to Linux (or any transition with larger changes) is hardest for intermediate users, that is to say user who actually do know how to use a computer to an extent that goes beyond bare basics like how to launch an use an internet browser or how to open up office and print a file.

For people that are really un-tech savvy it won't really mater if its OSX, Windows or linux as they won't be using much of the OS anyway. In some ways Linux is actually get best choice for that kind of people as it can essentially be used as a fire and forget solution. Once you have it up and running and turn off all auto updates it will run with out maintenance pretty much indefinitely and if you set up the rights and passwords correctly it will be pretty much impossible for the uneducated user to mess it up.

There are actually firms that sell senior PC that run their own "old people distro" but really an similar setup distro could be made for regular folks as well. Think something along Chrome OS and Android.

It just comes down to marketing or lack there of as far as linux is concerned. If manufacturers put the same kind of effort into marketing linux for desktops as the do with phones it would most probably have far,far bigger install base. Well it will get there eventually as the line between tablets and laptops blur. That along with steam will help push linux in to the main stream. At the end of the day traditional desktop linux biggest short coming is software. Opensource is a nice idea but in the real world people don't care how a software is developed, what they care about is that it works hassle free, does what they want even if that means the have to pay for it.

What steam will hopefully do is open up linux to the selling of mainstream software. With valves out of the box DRM developers should be more willing to put their software. When you can get M$ office, Adobe suites ect. on Linux that's when it will become a viable OS that can compete head on wiht OSX and Windows.
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Have proof of this?
I beg to differ... it's already widely adopted, most servers use them, and people use android (which is a fork of linux).
Can you imagine the average person being able to remember and type in commands in the terminal, something that can be done with a simple point-and-click through a few menus in Windows?

Have you never heard of a DE (Desktop Environment) ?
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by that time there will be heavy competition from linux


hahaha i heard that with window 98, windows ME, windows 2000, windows XP, windows Vista, Windows 7, windows 8 and yay, finally windows 9! biggrin.gif
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When it comes to desktop computing Linux is vastly inferior to Windows. When it comes to server computing Linux is superior to Windows.

I'll only use Linux as a server OS because of its efficiency. Until Linux can overcome the productivity superiority of Windows it will always be the lesser of the two desktop OSes.
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I think people are more likely to realize that if they switch to Linux and the desktop environment they're using does something they don't like, they can just switch and keep using the same OS, just with a different face.

I've been using Linux for almost ten years now, and through that time, I've gone between desktop environments several times because the one I was using made some big changes that I didn't like. And it's literally as easy as doing something like

"sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop", log out, change a setting, log back in.

Watching people argue over Metro, the only desktop environment officially supported in Windows 8, and whether it's good or if people need to man up and adapt to change has been hilarious from the standpoint of someone who has always been able to change desktop environments on a whim.

When people talk about Linux and freedom, this is the kind of stuff they're talking about. Not being stuck with some corporate group's decisions based on maximizing profits.

However, your grandstanding about people who don't like Metro being afraid of change is somewhat interesting, because in a way, you're sticking with Metro and standing up for it because you're afraid to leave the Windows ecosystem and you're afraid of the massive amount of change that would bring.

On another note, Microsoft backtracking on Metro somewhat is good news. It means that all those OEMs going "we're not selling as many pre-built desktop PCs, the desktop PC is dead!" have been completely ignoring the DIY market. And the DIY market is strong enough to make Microsoft backtrack.

At least something good has come out of this, but the Windows ecosystem is still very far from ideal. At the very least, it's proven to the world that Microsoft doesn't really care about all of their customers and they'll more than throw existing consumers under the bus to chase better profits somewhere else.

To get better profits, they have to make something people want or would use, and isn't that caring about the customer? Giving them what they want?
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The reality is simple:

Almost everyone hates metro and almost everyone does not want a Tablet-like interface on their desktop or laptop. If MS keeps trying this non-sense and continuely trying to shove it down my throat, I can see myself using linux in the next 2 years or so.

At worst, 25% like it and 75% hate it. In reality, it's more like 20% like it, 30% hate it, and 50% simply don't care.
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Still my stance hasn't changed a single bit.

Formula of success for me to buy W8/9:

Give me the possibility to choose between traditional UI or Metro-oriented UI.

TADAAAAH. I will buy it.

Easy.
   
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Still my stance hasn't changed a single bit.

Formula of success for me to buy W8/9:

Give me the possibility to choose between traditional UI or Metro-oriented UI.

TADAAAAH. I will buy it.

Easy.

You know, you can boot to the desktop in win8, and disable the charms and tile interface, all within the system settings...
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