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Hi overclocker,
While I am building my new itx system (portal http://www.overclock.net/t/1458488/multimedia-itx-build), I am also building a custom watercooling system at the same time.
I have get the system almost 70% before I can put myself down for posting this build log.
So, hope you guys still love this system and give me a thumb if you think it is beautiful and the most important HOT (regardless its appearance or temperature:p:p)
I originally tried name it HOTWELL, but it seems little bit too hush to Intel and maybe I am noob and cant seat my CPU properly frown.gif

Here is my purchase list for the hardware


And the main actors are my watercooling components and all other miscs.... They are a lot....
miscs


water cooling parts





Packaging are just massive:





As I am new to the water cooling realm.
So I am basically doing it while learning smile.gif

First tip I learnt - Take every thing out of your case before building
At first, I wasn't underdtand this, but I still did it just in case. But as I am progressing with my build this does make more and more sense. Empty case gives you better space to work with and help you to think how to go next.



Second tip, boot your system before start working on your water solution. This isreally helpful if you are going to take your component apart. In terms of water solution, testing individual stuff out before you set up your solution will save you tones of time, if there is any faulty component in youe purchase.


Here I was inpatient with my video cards, as them arrived days before the rest, so I put the block on them before even test them out.
And Ram was days delayed because of stock frown.gif
I was lucky enough on my video card, they both great. (I am using 7970 DC2 Top, Can I join 7970 owner club?)



Copy and paste gets me two video cards smile.gif



But not for my RAM.
While I was enjoying the success of the installation video card block, my ram went crazy and dead on arrival, so I have to send them back for replacement.

While waiting for rams, I am start working on cables on my huge amount of fans, plus miscs and pump.
I have never done any sleeving before and this pile of fans took me two whole weekends plus couple of working days.

My fingers are hurt and skin start peering off mad.gif

water block for CPU was easy enough (NO, it is not easy, it took countless time to reseat just to get slightly better temperature for my HOTWELL)






Finally the ram arrived just after I finished my sleeving work. passed the test and ok, time to put armor on you guys.





After I put almost every component into the case, I am start designing the waterloop,
Here are the location of the rads, I though the 900D can hold 60cm 480 rad on top with push pull with 25mm fans and bottom can fit one 60cm 480 rads, one 60cm 240 rad both push pull with typhoon fans. Reality tells me I am wrong, there is not enough clearance for CPU cable if I use typhoon on push pull, same with the 240 rad. I so bough 6 15mm slim fans on one side.








here was my initial design



After I conformed the setup should work, I start working on it


I was so excited and I was start doing stress testing to see how far my CPU can go.
and I ended up with extreme high temperature frown.gif

My initial OC result was a disaster.
I ended somewhere above 90 degree @ 4.6 vcore 1.2v
Thats was using Indigo Xtreme.
I after seeking help here smile.gif

After few (10+?) reseats my temperarure still above 80 and it went unstable after 2hrs

In order to get it stable I need to increase the vcore to 1.234v
and my temperature above 85 degree (Highest core temp I remember was 87. Ambient temp was somewhere around 26 degree)

I went back here and seeking help again smile.gif
After great help from friendly members here (Defiler2k, Cyro999 and more smile.gif thanks guys for your help !!!! You guys are awesome!!!!!!Love you guys, and I may need more help smile.gif)) I decided to delid my CPU

Ok, I have put my Chip under hammer and Vise smile.gif (Can I join Delid club?)





The result wasn't what I was expecting, only around 10 degree temperature gain frown.giffrown.gifmad.gifmad.gifmad.gif

After countless liter of destilled water and almost three tubes of MX-4, 3 pieces of indigo Xtreme applications, only 10 degree?? NO, I will not accept this result and I will keep working on it.

Never give up mad.gif

From this point, I will update this post as I progress smile.gif
Right now I have reseat the CPU again and filling the loop, I will do stress later and come back with the result.

Hope you like my progress, there are still loads of work I need to work, cable management, detail the setup, triple monitors setup, etc etc
I will keep all you guys tuned as my progress goes

I wish I could get supports from all you guys. Your reply, your thumb up are my great support to me (A newbie water cool member, I am trying to join clubs here smile.gif Hope I can join 5Ghz club in the end of this build)

Cheers guys

-- Woosh, that's a really long post
-- Oh by the way, English is not my first language and I live in Melbourne Australia smile.gif
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None of your images are showing btw.

Not seeing an image source, so you must not have inserted them yet.
Use image tags like this: [IMG]YOUR_IMAGE_URL_HERE[/IMG]
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That's weird.
Because I see them on my end, do they need to get approval from admin? or they are taking time to show....
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Well I can see them
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It looks like you have the fans fighting for exhaust in this picture. I am not an expert, but this looks highly inefficient.
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It looks like you have the fans fighting for exhaust in this picture. I am not an expert, but this looks highly inefficient.

I agree those bottom fans are really not setup in the best config. Bottom rads on a 900D need a bit of a gap to allow airflow to pass through, also, you might might want to remove one set of fans on the 240 to give those fans some breathing room.

Looking through your pictures, it looks like you definitely put too much CLU on the DIE. You it should look flat as in like there is barely any there it literally takes a tiny drop to get enough coverage for the die.

Otherwise your build looks beautiful man, get some grip gloves next time so you don't hurt your fingers while tightening the fittings and such. I learned that one the hard way smile.gif

Also post a picture of the setup with all of your runs, Im curious to see how did you do the run from the CPU to the rad.
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It looks like you have the fans fighting for exhaust in this picture. I am not an expert, but this looks highly inefficient.

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Originally Posted by defiler2k View Post

I agree those bottom fans are really not setup in the best config. Bottom rads on a 900D need a bit of a gap to allow airflow to pass through, also, you might might want to remove one set of fans on the 240 to give those fans some breathing room.

Looking through your pictures, it looks like you definitely put too much CLU on the DIE. You it should look flat as in like there is barely any there it literally takes a tiny drop to get enough coverage for the die.

Otherwise your build looks beautiful man, get some grip gloves next time so you don't hurt your fingers while tightening the fittings and such. I learned that one the hard way smile.gif

Also post a picture of the setup with all of your runs, Im curious to see how did you do the run from the CPU to the rad.

Hi inedenimadam and defiler2k, thanks for your input.

But it was just a misunderstand of my bad picture smile.gif

They are both in push pull setup. but instead of fighting for exhaust between the 480 and 240. It is more like 480 handover the job to 240 when he has done his part smile.gif

Here is the explanation in picture:





Did I applied too much CLP? Damn...I thought that drop was tiny enough. Is that one of the cause of the high temperature?

I drained my loop and took the waterblock down.

I think they are many reasons my temperature was bad, bit too much CLP might be one of them.

But the most critical one might because the indigo xtreme was mounted badly.

This was my 3 third time having "FUN" with this IE stuff and I still having trouble with it

The real problem might because the bad "reflow".

The story was this:

I put on the IHS, applied the IE, put the block back on ....

When I boot the machine the 1st time, it gives error on OC setting where I already flush the CMOS setting.
After I get into the OS, turned on Prime95 for reflow process (pumps are off), I realized this time the temperature increased like crazy fast, way faster than prior I delided it.

The CPU went 100+ degree and it start throttling. After the 1st temp drop it almost immediately back to 100. All those was happened with in seconds frown.gif this way faster than before.

After I shutdown the Prime95, the CPU temperature still showing somewhere between 78-80 and it is looks like climbing up a bit even.

I tried to touch the fittings, they are quite warm. I thinking HOT might be bit string here, but they are definitely not just normal warm frown.gif

I am glad I am not using those PVC tubings or other "Tygon tubing". I believe at that temperature those tubing will start getting soft and maybe even worse.

I waited for about 2 minutes and the temperature was still 81, there is 21 degree away from the temperature point I can turn on my pump.

I was start panicking and I turned off the system and waited about 2 hours before I turned it back on.

I was assuming the reflow worked even my procedure was slightly off the instruction due to the circumstance.
But I did see the down curve, I saw the temp raise again, I turned off my burnin program when CPU reached 90 again. But under my circumstance, there wasn't an option for me to wait until it drops back to 60 or below.

And here is the result after I took the waterblock due to the high temperature result frown.gif


I know I promised to reseat the CPU yesterday, but after I took the CPU block I was caught by something else:p

But luckily I didn't reseat it and refill it again, because, guess what I have received today








Yes, EK block for my deeply loved R6E smile.gif
I will get this going once I get back home.

I should receive another big package tomorrow, one of the biggest one for this build.
I ordered custom sleeved cable for this baby and my NAS build.
Actually I placed the order quick awhile ago, but because the number of cables I needed and all other requirements, it took a bit for the cable ready for shipping.

I found this company via friend's friend frown.gif I saw the sample of the work, it is so good, better than any sleeved job I have ever seen on the market and it is not that expensive comparing the other once I found on internet/forums smile.gif Also they all custom made, color theme, length etc etc.

I will post the sample photos I got for the cables once I get back home, I stored them in the other computer smile.gif

I am going with Red/Black theme with my Monster On FIRE and I will go with white/black with my M-ITX build smile.gif

Hope the deliver can arrive my office tomorrow as they said on the website smile.gif

I will let you guys know the update ASAP

@Defiler2k, I will get you the whole look of my system once I put the MB block on. I have reworked on the design of the waterloop, the MB block should improves the look of the loop by a lot not sure the performance tho.

After that I will try OC the CPU again and post the result here. Hoping I can get some improvement this time.

BTW, thanks for the tips of filtering the water smile.gif That could save me a lot of money if I knew it earlier frown.gif
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Hi inedenimadam and defiler2k, thanks for your input.

But it was just a misunderstand of my bad picture smile.gif

They are both in push pull setup. but instead of fighting for exhaust between the 480 and 240. It is more like 480 handover the job to 240 when he has done his part smile.gif

Here is the explanation in picture:





Did I applied too much CLP? Damn...I thought that drop was tiny enough. Is that one of the cause of the high temperature?

I drained my loop and took the waterblock down.

I think they are many reasons my temperature was bad, bit too much CLP might be one of them.

But the most critical one might because the indigo xtreme was mounted badly.

This was my 3 third time having "FUN" with this IE stuff and I still having trouble with it

The real problem might because the bad "reflow".

The story was this:

I put on the IHS, applied the IE, put the block back on ....

When I boot the machine the 1st time, it gives error on OC setting where I already flush the CMOS setting.
After I get into the OS, turned on Prime95 for reflow process (pumps are off), I realized this time the temperature increased like crazy fast, way faster than prior I delided it.

The CPU went 100+ degree and it start throttling. After the 1st temp drop it almost immediately back to 100. All those was happened with in seconds frown.gif this way faster than before.

After I shutdown the Prime95, the CPU temperature still showing somewhere between 78-80 and it is looks like climbing up a bit even.

I tried to touch the fittings, they are quite warm. I thinking HOT might be bit string here, but they are definitely not just normal warm frown.gif

I am glad I am not using those PVC tubings or other "Tygon tubing". I believe at that temperature those tubing will start getting soft and maybe even worse.

I waited for about 2 minutes and the temperature was still 81, there is 21 degree away from the temperature point I can turn on my pump.

I was start panicking and I turned off the system and waited about 2 hours before I turned it back on.

I was assuming the reflow worked even my procedure was slightly off the instruction due to the circumstance.
But I did see the down curve, I saw the temp raise again, I turned off my burnin program when CPU reached 90 again. But under my circumstance, there wasn't an option for me to wait until it drops back to 60 or below.

And here is the result after I took the waterblock due to the high temperature result frown.gif


I know I promised to reseat the CPU yesterday, but after I took the CPU block I was caught by something else:p

But luckily I didn't reseat it and refill it again, because, guess what I have received today








Yes, EK block for my deeply loved R6E smile.gif
I will get this going once I get back home.

I should receive another big package tomorrow, one of the biggest one for this build.
I ordered custom sleeved cable for this baby and my NAS build.
Actually I placed the order quick awhile ago, but because the number of cables I needed and all other requirements, it took a bit for the cable ready for shipping.

I found this company via friend's friend frown.gif I saw the sample of the work, it is so good, better than any sleeved job I have ever seen on the market and it is not that expensive comparing the other once I found on internet/forums smile.gif Also they all custom made, color theme, length etc etc.

I will post the sample photos I got for the cables once I get back home, I stored them in the other computer smile.gif

I am going with Red/Black theme with my Monster On FIRE and I will go with white/black with my M-ITX build smile.gif

Hope the deliver can arrive my office tomorrow as they said on the website smile.gif

I will let you guys know the update ASAP

@Defiler2k, I will get you the whole look of my system once I put the MB block on. I have reworked on the design of the waterloop, the MB block should improves the look of the loop by a lot not sure the performance tho.

After that I will try OC the CPU again and post the result here. Hoping I can get some improvement this time.

BTW, thanks for the tips of filtering the water smile.gif That could save me a lot of money if I knew it earlier frown.gif

Ahhh the dreaded reflow process for the Indigoxtreme. It is one of the best tims but it is so hard to apply. Since you are using a nickel plated block, why don't you just use CLU/CLP? CLU does not react negatively on nickel plated surfaces so you can just use it between the IHS and block without issues. CLU is tricky to apply if it looks smooth then yes you have too much, if you look at your die, the entire surface should look flat and sort of dark, when I look at the pictures from your die I see a lot of CLU bubbles specially in the lower right of the die. If you look at the upper most part of the die everything should look like that, flat and sort of dark not shiny like the bottom.

As far as the rads and fans, I will let others comment on this, I know some fan have issues when they are on top of each other like that but Im unsure if your fans fall under that category as I have not used those in the past.

Im also waiting for parts for my build, (new 4770K to see if I can finally break 5GHz, Sniper 5 blocks from EK and I need to makeup my mind on my GPU).
Edited by defiler2k - 1/12/14 at 5:50pm
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Nice! I havent used indigo extreme since my 920. getting your loop setup can be frustrating if temps arent great. We have very similar loops.

I have
res > pump > pump > (down to bottom) 240rad > 480rad > 7970 > 7970 > 7970 > (soon to be 4th 7970) > 360rad > 4930k > res

temps on my 3 cards max out at 51 and cpu can get to mid 60's at 4.5ghz @ 1.4v. what settings are your pumps at?

From what i hear 4770k's run pretty hot. are you doing direct die or reputing on the oute hs? i use just mx4 on everything now and it seems to work rather well. ive been looking for a better solution but mx4 hasnt let me down.

As far as mobo blocks go, i ran one on my x58 and it helped a ton, but boards are a little different today, but anything to keep temps down is great.

You could also have air in your loop, the setup we run can be really really hard to bleed, i pull my res and pump out and switch flow directions to try to get all the air out, (my res inlet a pump outlets are quick disconects) and just lay it on its side and let it push all the air out. One of the main reasons i use clear tubing and dye, is its easy to spot air, leaks, and looks cool thumb.gif

Keep us updated
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Ah, I see, the arrows help. It still seems odd to have one rad dumping hot air onto another rad, but it is better than not having the 240 at all, so that is cool I guess. I wish you luck with the reseat after the MB block installation. defiler2k is right, I would use the CLU ontop of the IHS as well. Rule of thumb for CLU: IF you can pull it with the brush, it is too much.
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