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Enough of that. I can purchase a 2x16c Opteron rig and slap a secondhand set of GTX480s for less money than it would take to purchase a Haswell i7 and a high range nVIDIA GPU, and I'd trouce the ever living crap out of it in terms of raw horsepower.

But that is NOT the point of this article. It doesn't matter how cool of a deal you can find used. This article is about comparing Kaveri to current MSRP for new, up-to-date products, so stop it already with your ranting. Nobody cares and you are just cluttering the thread.
   
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The i5-2400 is not 2.8Ghz, its 3.1Ghz with boost to 3.4Ghz, and can be further OCed to 4Ghz. At stock, as the link I posted shows, it can hit 5pts or more in Cinebench.
As for clocking higher then Nehalem, one that is to be seen, and two, clocking higher doesn't mean anything. An i5 750 is stock at 2.66Ghz, pushing it to 4Ghz is a 50% overclock. If Kaveri is 3.7 stock, and can get to 4.5Ghz, that's a 22% overclock. Its clocked higher, but gains much less from doing so.
Yeah I just opened my closet and found the box turns out I have a i5-2300 in that system still how do you OC? I recall mine being locked to 31x multi and I ran it on a cheap board so no bus overclocking.
You know that overclocking doesn't scale linear right?

As for that it remains to be seen that it OC's better than Nehalem is has been confirmed to be a fairly simple OC to 4,5 for 24/7 so I think that pretty much confirms it already wink.gif
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Um no they aren't. They are average used prices anyone can find.

The cheapest Xeon X3450 that I can find on Ebay or Google Shopping is approximately $120. You lucked out; this isn't an average price.
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I know they are dual modules, but they still technically have 4 cores. Its AMD's fault for using a poorly efficient design, then marketing them as real quad cores.
First you say they're technically quad-cores, so you imply that they should be judged against quad-cores. Then you fault them for marketing them as quad-cores despite them being two modules.

It's fair to call out AMD's marketing monkeys for being dumb like they usually are. Is it fair to keep changing the comparison goalposts at a whim to support your argument regarding the processor's price/performance?
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The point I was getting across is that a 5 year old mid range Intel CPU is still faster then what AMD can muster up.
Quad-core/octa-thread server CPUs are considered midrange? I'm done here. arrowheadsmiley.png
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Yeah I just opened my closet and found the box turns out I have a i5-2300 in that system still how do you OC? I recall mine being locked to 31x multi and I ran it on a cheap board so no bus overclocking.
You know that overclocking doesn't scale linear right?

As for that it remains to be seen that it OC's better than Nehalem is has been confirmed to be a fairly simple OC to 4,5 for 24/7 so I think that pretty much confirms it already wink.gif

With an z68/z77/z75 board, Sandy and Ivy cpu's with turbo can have their max turbo frequency for all cores set 4 bins above the max . The i5 2300 is 2.8ghz tock, boosts to 3.1ghz and can OC to 3.5ghz. The cheapest z75 at the time was I believe an Asrock z75 $75ish, not much of a premium over a non-z board.

Did they give the volts and temps for the Kaveri, they were using an Antec 920.

In terms of power consumption, the i3 + 7750 does perform better than the Kaveri OC and consumes less power. The stock Kaveri does edge ahead on the i3 combo. The two systems used different power supplies though.

I do rmbr something about a 30% IPC increase for steamroller, must have been some rumor.

Regardless, i do see Kaveri being good for AMD. Whereas the FX4300/4350 generally lost to to an Ivy i3, Kaveri is pretty competitive to an Haswell i3, more os when overclocked. I can see an hexa-core variant doing good against an i5
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Enough of that. I can purchase a 2x16c Opteron rig and slap a secondhand set of GTX480s for less money than it would take to purchase a Haswell i7 and a high range nVIDIA GPU, and I'd trouce the ever living crap out of it in terms of raw horsepower.

But that is NOT the point of this article. It doesn't matter how cool of a deal you can find used. This article is about comparing Kaveri to current MSRP for new, up-to-date products, so stop it already with your ranting. Nobody cares and you are just cluttering the thread.

Obviously you aren't referring to my last post where I posted all new stuff from newegg. You act like I posted a whole ton of used stuff, when I made ONE post about used prices.
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Yeah I just opened my closet and found the box turns out I have a i5-2300 in that system still how do you OC? I recall mine being locked to 31x multi and I ran it on a cheap board so no bus overclocking.
You know that overclocking doesn't scale linear right?

As for that it remains to be seen that it OC's better than Nehalem is has been confirmed to be a fairly simple OC to 4,5 for 24/7 so I think that pretty much confirms it already wink.gif
Any P67/Z68/Z77 can overclock it using the multi. You get 4 extra bins over turbo speed.
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The cheapest Xeon X3450 that I can find on Ebay or Google Shopping is approximately $120. You lucked out; this isn't an average price.
First you say they're technically quad-cores, so you imply that they should be judged against quad-cores. Then you fault them for marketing them as quad-cores despite them being two modules.

It's fair to call out AMD's marketing monkeys for being dumb like they usually are. Is it fair to keep changing the comparison goalposts at a whim to support your argument regarding the processor's price/performance?
Quad-core/octa-thread server CPUs are considered midrange? I'm done here. arrowheadsmiley.png
There is a difference between asking price, and selling price.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=xeon+x3450&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc

Also, Ive been comparing Kaveri 7850K to i5 750 as the mid range nearly 5 year old Nehalem CPU from the start. Never compared it to the Xeon other then to show what I was able to find for less money.
The 7850K should have (and was expected by most here) to beat the i5 750, and so far from what is being shown its not.

Im not bending anything. Just fanboys like to read things their own way and take stuff out of context.


Ive been doing multiple builds a month for the last 6 years. Have had literally hundreds of CPUs in that time. Had primarily used AMD for most of it, but since BD, AMD has fell back too far to be considered. They were fine in the bang for buck department for a while in that time period, but not anymore. Isnt hard at all to see that.


This is the only forum I know of that seems to think AMD is still competing with Intel, when they have said multiple times they are not any more. The same thing happens for every new arch from AMD and Intel, they make large promises to build hype, people are let down when they come out, and in 6 months everyone forgot the whole thing and buys it anyway.
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Is the NDA just the 14-01 or a certain time of day as well?
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So not 3570k tier performance on Kaveri yet? I was hoping that'd by my jump onto FM2+... Those motherboards look so inviting.
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4.26 in Cinebench R11.5 at 4560MHz.

My PhII X4 955 got almost exactly one point higher than that at less than 4500. Can't remember the specifics but that's approximate.

This is definitely much more like it, compared to the earlier benchmarks, but still not very appealing.
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4.26 in Cinebench R11.5 at 4560MHz.

My PhII X4 955 got almost exactly one point higher than that at less than 4500. Can't remember the specifics but that's approximate.

This is definitely much more like it, compared to the earlier benchmarks, but still not very appealing.
As PiofPie explained the lack of FPU power necks the Cinebench scores and it should do better in other benchmarks.

On another note I just slapped myself in the face for buying a cheap P61 or whatever it was called motherboard but hey it was really really cheap biggrin.gif
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