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"Runs" and "Runs like garbaged compared to x86" must have you confused.

I think you're allowing your bias to cloud yourself. Chrome runs about as well on the OMAP as it does on my N450 Atom. The problems for both stem from abusive webpages with all their flashy little add ons. Mobile sites on the OMAP usually finish faster than on the N450 I got. So, how do you define "garbage"?

Garbage as 4 seconds to render a image intensive website as opposed to 0.2 seconds.
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Get your facts right. Mullins is performing very close to a 2Ghz Jaguar which is much faster than A15.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7514/amd-2014-mobile-apu-update-beema-and-mullins

heck A15 is even slower than the Bobcat core . A15 is in a completely much lower perf range.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review/3

"Jaguar seems to be around 9-20% faster than Bobcat depending on the benchmark. Multithreaded workloads are obviously much better as there are simply more cores to run on. In practice, using the Kabini test system vs. an old Brazos machine delivers a noticeable difference in user experience. Clover Trail feels anemic by comparison and even Brazos feels quite dated. Seeing as how Bobcat was already quicker than ARM's Cortex A15, its no surprise that Jaguar is as well. The bigger problem here is Kabini needs much lower platform power to really threaten the Cortex A15 in tablets—we'll see how Temash fares as soon as we can get our hands on a tablet."

Too bad that the jaguar anand is comparing mullins to there runs at 1000MHz (or just a tad over) when all cores are stressed. So even if the CPU performance had gone up around 35% the chip would only be performing on par with a 1300-1400MHz quad jaguar. Not even close to a 2ghz jaguar. Meaning that a quad A15 at 2.3ghz would easily surpass it.

However what they're showing there is PCMark8 which will not give you an accurate representation of the CPU only performance increase. Other things are also included.

That and I'd much rather trust a 3dmark physics test (which stresses all the cores very nicely at once) when it comes to CPU power than kraken bench will will do some random small tasks and is run in a freaking browser. Hell, just take a look at the ULV i5 in that bench. We both know that in reality it isn't three and a half times as fast as a 1.5ghz Jaguar...

tl;dr bad bench to compare with. Stress all cores and jaguar comes out ~39% faster than A15 clock for clock. When the tweaked (no performance changes, just better power consumption) jaguar cores in mullins run at ~1400MHz when all of them are loaded and the A15s n K1 run at 2.3ghz you're left with ARM cores that are clocked 60% higher.
 
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The problem is that Qualcomm has the smartphone arena basically wrapped up. Samsung make their own chips on some devices, and they use Qualcomm for everything else.

I love nvidia, but they need to stop making stuff that is about raw power and nothing else. This isn't a PC... it's a smartphone/tablet. You have to balance power usage and performance to have a good product.

Yup. Intel, Samsung, and Nvidia are behind Qualcomm on LTE.... that's why Snapdragons won 2013 and are winning early 2014. However, I know Intel and Nvidia have finally gotten their LTE modems into production chips so they have a chance now.
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Too bad that the jaguar anand is comparing mullins to there runs at 1000MHz (or just a tad over) when all cores are stressed. So even if the CPU performance had gone up around 35% the chip would only be performing on par with a 1300-1400MHz quad jaguar. Not even close to a 2ghz jaguar. Meaning that a quad A15 at 2.3ghz would easily surpass it.

However what they're showing there is PCMark8 which will not give you an accurate representation of the CPU only performance increase. Other things are also included.

That and I'd much rather trust a 3dmark physics test (which stresses all the cores very nicely at once) when it comes to CPU power than kraken bench will will do some random small tasks and is run in a freaking browser. Hell, just take a look at the ULV i5 in that bench. We both know that in reality it isn't three and a half times as fast as a 1.5ghz Jaguar...

tl;dr bad bench to compare with. Stress all cores and jaguar comes out ~39% faster than A15 clock for clock. When the tweaked (no performance changes, just better power consumption) jaguar cores in mullins run at ~1400MHz when all of them are loaded and the A15s n K1 run at 2.3ghz you're left with ARM cores that are clocked 60% higher.

PCMark8's Home tests are lightweight benchmarks. http://www.futuremark.com/benchmarks/pcmark8
Stuff like web browsing, text viewing and editing, some light gaming, and "photo editing" (filters, color grading, cropping, very basic things). Most of the tasks probably won't load more than 1 or 2 cores - the exceptions being the video chat and encode test and the gaming test (I tested it)- in which case the A6-1450 can clock up to 1.4Ghz. In fact, looking at the benchmark results of the A6-5200 running at 2Ghz, I think the A6-1450 probably clocked in at 1.4Ghz for most of the benchmark. The A6-5200 clocks about 43% higher (2.0 vs 1.4) and performed about 39% better (1861 vs 1343).

Assuming Puma+ doesn't have architectural improvements, unlikely, it will probably be able to Turbo up to 2Ghz. Oh, and I really have no idea what you're talking about. Anand posted the scores for a 2Ghz Jaguar right there and the 4.5W mullins part virtually matches it. The A6-5200 is a 25W part that clocks in at 2Ghz flat.

Oh, and even in a fairly intensive, multi-threaded test like Cinebench R11.5 (mutli-threaded test) the A6-1450 can maintain 1.1GHz presumably across all cores.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-AMD-A6-1450-APU-Temash.92264.0.html
Among the CPU exclusive tasks only Prime95 brought it down to 1Ghz. Furmark+Prime95 obviously brought it down even lower due to thermal throttling.
In any case I think it's fair to say for most real world tasks, even those that are multi-threaded, it wouldn't be unrealistic for the mullins equivalent of the A6-1450 to maintain at least a small boost due to Turbo.
Edited by geoxile - 1/13/14 at 1:39pm
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This bencmark is not valid.

No tablet or phone with K1 is going to run it at full spec.

This will just be a repeat of tegra 3.
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Not sure if those physics scores are a good indication for the cpu but it seems rather underwhelming but overwhelming for a device running android.
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Not sure if those physics scores are a good indication for the cpu but it seems rather underwhelming but overwhelming for a device running android.
You guys do realize that it is pushing a 28 inch, 4K monitor, i will be buying this Monitor with touchscreen and Android 4.3, as soon as it drops, fills my media streaming needs......
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You guys do realize that it is pushing a 28 inch, 4K monitor, i will be buying this Monitor with touchscreen and Android 4.3, as soon as it drops, fills my media streaming needs......
So does a roku for 50 bucks(what with the wealth of 4k video content out there). Save yourself a dime if you only intend to use tegra k1 for streaming media. If not, feel free to hop on in the discussion(alluding to this discussion is of the product as a whole).
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So does a roku for 50 bucks(what with the wealth of 4k video content out there). Save yourself a dime if you only intend to use tegra k1 for streaming media. If not, feel free to hop on in the discussion(alluding to this discussion is of the product as a whole).
What i was trying to say is, it's performance is good enough for me, considering the monitor it is pushing, as far as me using Android to stream my media from my pc to my Panny, as of now, i use my LG G2 to accomplish this. being that i was in the market for Lenovo's non Android/touch version of this monitor, i can save money by buying the Android version .....while using it as a pc monitor also..
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