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I have posted this both here & in the small form factor systems forums as i wasn't sure which it was more suited to..

So even though my signature rig is still yet to be water-cooled, my thoughts have been at the other end of the scale, a HTPC/Gaming build as small as i can make it. biggrin.gif
I have decided to do this in Silverstone's yet to be released ML07 case, which looks perfect for what I'm thinking. For those who haven't seen this case yet, here is a photo & a Linus video. Note that the video is of the RVZ01, the same case but a different outer shell.


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So these are the parts I have decided on for this build, and YES I do want your help & opinions. redface.gif
I want to make a small & quiet yet powerful build. I know this seems farfetched but it's what I'm going for.

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570S 2.9GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Either a custom loop or closed loop for both CPU & GPU, as it has been stated this case can handle water cooling, just depends on final case dimensions.
Fans: The stock fans will be swapped out for high-end quiet fans.
Motherboard: Asus Z87I-PRO
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk
Storage: Western Digital Green 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive
Storage: Additional Samsung EVO if needed.
Video Card: Still undecided..
Case: Silverstone ML07
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply
TV Tuner: Hauppauge HVR-2210 Media Centre Kit
Optical Drive: Silverstone SOB02 Slim Blu-Ray Burner Optical Drive

Now as this case accepts a full size GPU by the use of a pci-e riser (which is what I'll be using) and a mITX board only has 1 pci-e slot, I have run into a problem by choosing a pci TV tuner card. THIS is where I need everyones help, and no I don't want to use a USB TV tuner as I haven't found a reliable one in the past..

But this is my idea..
I use this pci-e riser from the board-



The connect both the GPU & TV tuner using two of these extenders, or similar. Now the case only has 2 expansion slots so I will have to remove the expansion fitting off the TV tuner and mount the card somewhere in the case.
So what does everyone think? Any help would be great guys thumb.gif
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But this is my idea..
I use this pci-e riser from the board-



The connect both the GPU & TV tuner using two of these extenders, or similar. Now the case only has 2 expansion slots so I will have to remove the expansion fitting off the TV tuner and mount the card somewhere in the case.
So what does everyone think? Any help would be great guys thumb.gif

That riser is for a specific Supermicro board and does not include a PCIe Bridge (a PLX Bridge). This is the device that allows for multiple PCIe links on a single physical link on the motherboard.

PLX bridges are used for boards like the 7990 or nvidia 690 etc, but are also used for expansion boards like these. Our company manufactures these boards for specific GPU server applications and our hard cost to custom fab each one is about ~$700.

Also, PLX expansion is not always compatible with normal consumer boards; the MB Bios has to have a basic understanding of enumerating more than the one physical x16 lane that resides on it. as PLX bridges do not normally convert one x16 link to two x8 links, but instead convert one x16 link into two full speed x16 links by a complicated management of timing the IO. Performance loss when using a PLX bridge like this is usually less than 3-5% for the new Gen 3 Bridges.

That being said; I do use one of our PCIe expansion boards to put 4x R9 290X's onto a mini ITX at home. It works fine; but is VERY expensive.

Otherwise; looks like a fun build! Good Luck! Feel free to PM me with any other questions about PCIe expansion etc. Always willing to help.

Josh
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That riser is for a specific Supermicro board and does not include a PCIe Bridge (a PLX Bridge). This is the device that allows for multiple PCIe links on a single physical link on the motherboard.

PLX bridges are used for boards like the 7990 or nvidia 690 etc, but are also used for expansion boards like these. Our company manufactures these boards for specific GPU server applications and our hard cost to custom fab each one is about ~$700.

Also, PLX expansion is not always compatible with normal consumer boards; the MB Bios has to have a basic understanding of enumerating more than the one physical x16 lane that resides on it. as PLX bridges do not normally convert one x16 link to two x8 links, but instead convert one x16 link into two full speed x16 links by a complicated management of timing the IO. Performance loss when using a PLX bridge like this is usually less than 3-5% for the new Gen 3 Bridges.

That being said; I do use one of our PCIe expansion boards to put 4x R9 290X's onto a mini ITX at home. It works fine; but is VERY expensive.

Otherwise; looks like a fun build! Good Luck! Feel free to PM me with any other questions about PCIe expansion etc. Always willing to help.

Josh

I didn't realise that thanks.. Could you give a link for this expansion board? I only need to split it into 2 lanes though not 4.
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We make our own boards; so there isn't a public link. All of the parts we make are specific for each deployment and are under NDA.

I do have a couple of them that I had made for my own use that I can snap a couple of photos of though so you can see what they look like.... but these aren't off the shelf. As far as I know, there is no off the shelf PLX Gen 3 x16 expansion board for only TWO x16 Links.

All off the shelf items are more for PCI expansion via a HIC (Host Interface Controller) to an entire PCIe Expansion chassis. I.E. the Dell c410x. ( http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-c410x/pd )

I would consider selling/marketing some of our risers to 2 x16 PCIe; bit I don't think i'm allowed to do so on this forum and they would also be quite expensive ($600 - $1000)

Josh
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Weird; that link doesn't work.... just google Dell c410x.
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Not really worth the high cost when I only need the two lanes.. Thanks anyway smile.gif
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