Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [Various] AMD Kaveri A10-7850K (7700K, 7600) reviews
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Various] AMD Kaveri A10-7850K (7700K, 7600) reviews - Page 13

post #121 of 1004
Here's another Kaveri Review - 7850K @ HCW

With clock speeds matched to Richland, just for curiosity's sake (exactly how much does the new architecture improve per-clock performance? GPU too)

photoshop-cc-tilt-shift.png

kaveri-overclock-4.7-ghz.png

kaveri-overclocking-performance.png

GPU overclocked to 1020 MHz.. when was the last time you overclocked something by 40%? wink.gif
Edited by spuppy - 1/14/14 at 8:45am
It's my PC
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2600K @ 4.8 Gigabyte Z68XP-UD4 XFX Radeon R9 280X 16GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical DDR3 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Intel DC-S3700 800GB SSD (Downloads/Media) Intel DC-S3500 480GB SSD (Install Drive) OCZ Vertex 3 240GB SSD (Windows Drive) be quiet! Shadow Rock TOPFLOW 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8 Pro Samsung PX2370 23" 1080p Topre RealForce 87U Thermaltake ToughPower 750W 
CaseMouseAudio
Cougar Challenger GX Gaming Gila Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty 
  hide details  
Reply
It's my PC
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2600K @ 4.8 Gigabyte Z68XP-UD4 XFX Radeon R9 280X 16GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical DDR3 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Intel DC-S3700 800GB SSD (Downloads/Media) Intel DC-S3500 480GB SSD (Install Drive) OCZ Vertex 3 240GB SSD (Windows Drive) be quiet! Shadow Rock TOPFLOW 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8 Pro Samsung PX2370 23" 1080p Topre RealForce 87U Thermaltake ToughPower 750W 
CaseMouseAudio
Cougar Challenger GX Gaming Gila Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty 
  hide details  
Reply
post #122 of 1004
Glad I went AM3+ and my overclocked 6300 instead of grabbing an FM2+ board and a Kaveri chip like I was going to. Overall pretty disappointing, especially since nothing really supports HSA. AMD really should have gotten support for it before launching.
Computer
(9 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 5 1400 3.8Ghz Gigabyte AB350M-HD3 EVGA Geforce GTX 1050 Ti G.Skill 16GB(2x8GB) 3200Mhz DDR4 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
SSDs and HDDs Windows 10 x64 Pro Acer G7 G227HQLbi @75Hz EVGA 430w 
Case
Deepcool Frame 
  hide details  
Reply
Computer
(9 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 5 1400 3.8Ghz Gigabyte AB350M-HD3 EVGA Geforce GTX 1050 Ti G.Skill 16GB(2x8GB) 3200Mhz DDR4 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
SSDs and HDDs Windows 10 x64 Pro Acer G7 G227HQLbi @75Hz EVGA 430w 
Case
Deepcool Frame 
  hide details  
Reply
post #123 of 1004
Quote:
Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post

What I'm trying to find out with all the suggestions in my post is:

By how much is the built-in GPU on the A10-7850K bottlenecked by the DDR3 memory interface ? Surely the Anand test system with the HD 6750 is using an Intel CPU, but shouldn't the difference in GPU performance offset that ?

My theory is that AMD is using more GCN cores clocked lower in order to try make their product better than it really is, because I suspect that a 384 core GCN part clocked at Richland's 844 Mhz instead of 720 Mhz is going to yield the same kind of performance as the 512 cores running at 720 Mhz. From the benchmarks it's clearly visible in some cases that the fps hit a wall, no matter if it's the Kaveri A8 or the A10. I suspect it's a RAM bottleneck, which means it's debatable whether it's cost-effective to use 512 GCN cores at 720 Mhz over 384 cores at 844 Mhz.

On the 6750 issue, even with 99% GPU usage on both 4770k and 7850k the i7 would still produce more frames per second, it is twice the CPU A10-7850k is and then some. There are kaveri products with 384 GCN cores that you can use to compare at same clocks. The amount of GCN CU probably helps alot with compute, openCL and the such, probably low clocked 512 consumes less than high clocked 384 and dual graphics are still a wild card-with 384 cores only viable DG options would be few and weak. But ok, this still remains to be seen, how viable DG is this time round (until now it was pointless). On the desktop, I welcome more GCN cores clocked lower because that means better performance when iGPU gets a nice hefty overclock.
Mastodon Ryzen
(12 items)
 
HP Z220
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
R7 1800X Asus Crosshair VI Hero Sapphire RX Vega 64 reference Gskill TridentZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Pny SSD 240GB Crucial MX100 CM Nepton 280L Win 10 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Acer Predator XG270HU Freesync XFX 750W Pro HAF XM Logitech G502 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsCooling
i7 3770 HP Quadro K2000 HP 
OSPowerCaseMouse
Win 7  HP 400W HP CMT RAT 7 
  hide details  
Reply
Mastodon Ryzen
(12 items)
 
HP Z220
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
R7 1800X Asus Crosshair VI Hero Sapphire RX Vega 64 reference Gskill TridentZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Pny SSD 240GB Crucial MX100 CM Nepton 280L Win 10 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Acer Predator XG270HU Freesync XFX 750W Pro HAF XM Logitech G502 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsCooling
i7 3770 HP Quadro K2000 HP 
OSPowerCaseMouse
Win 7  HP 400W HP CMT RAT 7 
  hide details  
Reply
post #124 of 1004
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horsemama1956 View Post

Glad I went AM3+ and my overclocked 6300 instead of grabbing an FM2+ board and a Kaveri chip like I was going to. Overall pretty disappointing, especially since nothing really supports HSA. AMD really should have gotten support for it before launching.

HSA is not just an AMD thing. Many other chip makes will be adopting an HSA architecture in the coming years. It's funny reading through this entire thread and seeing all the disappointment. I'm a die hard AMD fan, and probably will never buy Intel/Nvidia ever again, but you have to understand that the software takes time to catch up to the hardware. This is all new territory for software developers to implement HSA, Mantle, Etc. I'd hardly call this a fail on AMD's part though. It's clearly an improvement over their previous products, but it's DAY 1 of release. Have some faith in the new things to come. This was never meant to compete with Intel's top end offerings, or be a replacement for your FX 8/6 core. Many were expecting way to much from this chip, but for use in my new HTPC/Steam Machine build, it will perform awesome thumb.gif

I do however agree that APU's will have their day when DDR4 arrives and we have proper HSA, hUMA, XDMA, & Mantle support.

GPU Compute is the future, and we're only just getting started.
RyZEN
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
R7 1700 Asrock X370 Taichi XFX RX Vega 64 Liquid Cooled Gskill Trident Z 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
MyDigitalSSD BPX NVME Corsair H100i GTX Windows 10 x64 43in LG 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710 Corsair GS800 Corsair Carbide 400c Logitech G700 
AudioAudio
Logitech Z2300 Logitech G430 
  hide details  
Reply
RyZEN
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
R7 1700 Asrock X370 Taichi XFX RX Vega 64 Liquid Cooled Gskill Trident Z 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
MyDigitalSSD BPX NVME Corsair H100i GTX Windows 10 x64 43in LG 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710 Corsair GS800 Corsair Carbide 400c Logitech G700 
AudioAudio
Logitech Z2300 Logitech G430 
  hide details  
Reply
post #125 of 1004
I see--Newegg's search doesn't work if you search for "A10 7850K" but does work if you search for "AMD Kaveri" oddly enough. I've got one coming with a Gigabyte ITX A88X board, so we'll see what happens.
post #126 of 1004
That's a pretty impressive GPU overclock.. all the way to 1020 MHz, and the Firestrike score that goes along with it. The revised GT 640 (GK 208) got me a graphics score of 1750, and my old GTX 550 TI got a 1878. Those those took care of my gaming needs just fine. I just hope that's a stable 24/7 overclock. Now just have to wait for that inflated price to drop.
M1
(10 items)
 
110
(8 items)
 
804
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i3-4160 MSI Z97I AC EVGA GTX 750TI Superclocked Corsair Dominator Platinum 8GB 2400 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 850 Evo 250GB Phanteks PH-TC12LS Deepcool GF 120 Fans Windows 10 
PowerCase
XFX XTR 550W NCase M1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K Gigabyte F2A88XN-WIFI Radeon R7 G.Skill RipjawsX 8GB 2400 
Hard DriveCoolingOSCase
OCZ Vertex 460 240GB Silverstone Argon AR05 Windows 10 Antec ISK 110 
  hide details  
Reply
M1
(10 items)
 
110
(8 items)
 
804
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i3-4160 MSI Z97I AC EVGA GTX 750TI Superclocked Corsair Dominator Platinum 8GB 2400 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 850 Evo 250GB Phanteks PH-TC12LS Deepcool GF 120 Fans Windows 10 
PowerCase
XFX XTR 550W NCase M1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-7850K Gigabyte F2A88XN-WIFI Radeon R7 G.Skill RipjawsX 8GB 2400 
Hard DriveCoolingOSCase
OCZ Vertex 460 240GB Silverstone Argon AR05 Windows 10 Antec ISK 110 
  hide details  
Reply
post #127 of 1004
Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle View Post

I see--Newegg's search doesn't work if you search for "A10 7850K" but does work if you search for "AMD Kaveri" oddly enough. I've got one coming with a Gigabyte ITX A88X board, so we'll see what happens.

Why would you pay the gouged Newegg prices?
Tsar Bomba
(12 items)
 
Fat Man
(13 items)
 
Little Boy
(29 items)
 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i7-6700K ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4... Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 SSD 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Sandisk Ultra II 960GB 2.5" SSD Zalman CNPS8900 Quiet Noctua NF-F12 PWM Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair K95 Corsair SF 600W Silverstone SG05BB-LITE Corsair M65 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD A10-7850K GIGABYTE GA-F2A88X-UP4 XFX R9-290A-ENBC Radeon R9 290 XFX R9-290A-ENBC Radeon R9 290 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 830 128GB Western Digital Blue 1TB XSPC Raystorm CPU/APU Waterblock - AMD XSPC D5 Photon 170 Reservoir/Pump Combo 
CoolingCoolingCoolingPower
XSPC AX360 Radiator XSPC AX240 Radiator 2x XSPC Razor R9 290X / 290 - Full Cover Water ... EVGA Supernova 1000 P2 
Case
Corsair Carbide Series Air 540 Black  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7-4770K  Asus Maximus VI Extreme Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X G.SKILL Sniper Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3 2400 2x SAMSUNG 840 EVO 250GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
2x TOSHIBA PH3300U-1I72 3TB Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer 29x Noctua NF-F12 PWM 2x Swiftech MCP655 + Bitspower Dual D5 Mod Top 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Phobya Balancer 450 Silver Nickel Reservoir 2x Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 480mm Radiator Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 360mm Radiator Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 240mm Radiator 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 240mm Radiator Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 120mm Radiator 4x Koolance VID-AR290X Radeon VGA Liquid Coolin... EK Supreme LTX Intel CPU Liquid Cooling Block -... 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Asus VS238H-P 23.0" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K95 ENERMAX Maxrevo EMR1500EWT 1500W Corsair Obsidian Series 900D Razer DeathAdder 2013 
Audio
Astro Gaming A50 Circumaural Headset - Black 
  hide details  
Reply
Tsar Bomba
(12 items)
 
Fat Man
(13 items)
 
Little Boy
(29 items)
 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i7-6700K ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4... Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 SSD 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Sandisk Ultra II 960GB 2.5" SSD Zalman CNPS8900 Quiet Noctua NF-F12 PWM Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair K95 Corsair SF 600W Silverstone SG05BB-LITE Corsair M65 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD A10-7850K GIGABYTE GA-F2A88X-UP4 XFX R9-290A-ENBC Radeon R9 290 XFX R9-290A-ENBC Radeon R9 290 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Samsung 830 128GB Western Digital Blue 1TB XSPC Raystorm CPU/APU Waterblock - AMD XSPC D5 Photon 170 Reservoir/Pump Combo 
CoolingCoolingCoolingPower
XSPC AX360 Radiator XSPC AX240 Radiator 2x XSPC Razor R9 290X / 290 - Full Cover Water ... EVGA Supernova 1000 P2 
Case
Corsair Carbide Series Air 540 Black  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7-4770K  Asus Maximus VI Extreme Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X Sapphire R9 290 unlocked to 290X G.SKILL Sniper Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3 2400 2x SAMSUNG 840 EVO 250GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
2x TOSHIBA PH3300U-1I72 3TB Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer 29x Noctua NF-F12 PWM 2x Swiftech MCP655 + Bitspower Dual D5 Mod Top 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Phobya Balancer 450 Silver Nickel Reservoir 2x Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 480mm Radiator Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 360mm Radiator Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 240mm Radiator 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 240mm Radiator Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 120mm Radiator 4x Koolance VID-AR290X Radeon VGA Liquid Coolin... EK Supreme LTX Intel CPU Liquid Cooling Block -... 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Asus VS238H-P 23.0" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K95 ENERMAX Maxrevo EMR1500EWT 1500W Corsair Obsidian Series 900D Razer DeathAdder 2013 
Audio
Astro Gaming A50 Circumaural Headset - Black 
  hide details  
Reply
post #128 of 1004
So what I got from those reviews:

1. Kaveri does amazing in terms of performance and performance/Watt in the 45W and lower space.
2. Kaveri does amazing in the 45W space compared to Iris pro's 65w processors and wins high res since the iris pro has less gpu grunt but gains it's speed mostly from the fast L4 cache.
3. Kaveri as expected completely sucks in floating point performance. (was to be expected with 2 128bit FPU's per module and them only 1 used while running non AVX insructions)

AMD has a win for budget gaming on laptop and small desktop and a failure in terms of overclocking beyond 3,5GHz but the win AMD has will be boosted a lot not only will future GCN drivers increase the APU's performance as to where Richland was still on VLIW4 also GCN will help with XDMA and extra frame pacing support for hybrid CF and of course there is also a thing called Mantle which if successful will also help a lot.
Edited by maarten12100 - 1/14/14 at 9:19am
post #129 of 1004
Quote:
Originally Posted by opty165 View Post

HSA is not just an AMD thing. Many other chip makes will be adopting an HSA architecture in the coming years. It's funny reading through this entire thread and seeing all the disappointment. I'm a die hard AMD fan, and probably will never buy Intel/Nvidia ever again, but you have to understand that the software takes time to catch up to the hardware. This is all new territory for software developers to implement HSA, Mantle, Etc. I'd hardly call this a fail on AMD's part though. It's clearly an improvement over their previous products, but it's DAY 1 of release. Have some faith in the new things to come. This was never meant to compete with Intel's top end offerings, or be a replacement for your FX 8/6 core. Many were expecting way to much from this chip, but for use in my new HTPC/Steam Machine build, it will perform awesome thumb.gif

I do however agree that APU's will have their day when DDR4 arrives and we have proper HSA, hUMA, XDMA, & Mantle support.

GPU Compute is the future, and we're only just getting started.

DDr4? haha when is amd suppose to implement ddr4 on their apus? Going to be awhile. Also toms used up to 2500mhz ram already. Ddr4 will start at 2133mhz . . .
Ol Bessy
(9 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4930k Asus P9X79 Galaxy Super OC GTX 480 G. Skill 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Noctua NH-U14S Windows 7 I-INC 25 INCH 650w Corsair 
Case
Lian LI 
  hide details  
Reply
Ol Bessy
(9 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4930k Asus P9X79 Galaxy Super OC GTX 480 G. Skill 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Noctua NH-U14S Windows 7 I-INC 25 INCH 650w Corsair 
Case
Lian LI 
  hide details  
Reply
post #130 of 1004
7700K has an unlocked multi right?
Core I7 5960X
(10 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core I7 5960X ASRock X99 OC Formula MSI GTX 970 Gaming MSI GTX 970 Gaming 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
G. Skill 16GB DDR4 2600 Sandisk Extreme II 240GB SSD Custom 480 Water Setup Windows 10 
PowerCase
AX1500I Corsair 900D 
  hide details  
Reply
Core I7 5960X
(10 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core I7 5960X ASRock X99 OC Formula MSI GTX 970 Gaming MSI GTX 970 Gaming 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
G. Skill 16GB DDR4 2600 Sandisk Extreme II 240GB SSD Custom 480 Water Setup Windows 10 
PowerCase
AX1500I Corsair 900D 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Hardware News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [Various] AMD Kaveri A10-7850K (7700K, 7600) reviews