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I got it for $179.99 at MC but I agree I thought it would be in the $150 range. I have a feeling the retailers knowing there is a GPU on this thing have something to do with this price hike, as the Bitcoin inflation is still rampant.

I have started a thread in the AMD CPU thread for questions as I am willing to be your guinea pig. Ask away.
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That seems extremely hard to believe considering the 300MHz lower clock speed combined with the results from all of these reviews.


Keep in mind I OC'd the heck out of it though. I realize what you are saying but it's there. With FX at 4.9 GHz and my 670 I would regurally hit the teens and never would my GPU utilization be above 64% or so. I played for WvW for an hour today, ran into the heaviest zergs I could find and GPU% maintained a steady 89% usage and my minimum from drop was 22fps.

Personally I think it makes sense for a poorly coded CPU bound game like this to have this kind of IPC improvement as the game loves to brute force 2-3 cores. Especially with the scheduler changes. The reviews make no sense when you think about what they changed, and how much scheduling and bottlenecking points they freed up.

So my guess is it'sit's just an example of real world sloppy coding seeing a benefit synthetic benches won't show.
Edited by yawa - 1/14/14 at 6:44pm
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That seems extremely hard to believe considering the 300MHz lower clock speed combined with the results from all of these reviews.


Keep in mind I OC'd the heck out of it though. I realize what you are saying but it's there. With FX at 4.9 GHz and my 670 I would regurally hit the teens and never would my GPU utilization be above 64% or so. I played for WvW for an hour today, ran into the heaviest zergs I could find and GPU% maintained a steady 89% usage and my minimum frame drop was 22fps. Neither of those things ever happened with my FX8350.

Personally I think it makes sense for a poorly coded CPU bound game like this to have this kind of IPC improvement as the game loves to brute force 2-3 cores. Especially with the scheduler changes.
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It could be similar to Haswell being 20-30% faster than Ivy in emulators - none of the big-name review sites discovered this performance boost.
 
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I got it for $179.99 at MC but I agree I thought it would be in the $150 range. I have a feeling the retailers knowing there is a GPU on this thing have something to do with this price hike, as the Bitcoin inflation is still rampant.

MSRP is $173

7700K is $152, and 7600 is $119
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Exactly. I mean by no means does a jump in poorly coded, single threaded games justify Kaveri's poor performance and ridiculous price point, but I don't tthink seeing these stronger cores do heavy lifting a bit better in games like that is too shocking.

Just my experience mind you.
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If they made a proper 8 core version I'd be interested. Unfortunately this is disappointing for the price point IMO.. would rather pick up a fx-4300 / 6300 and cheap gpu...

Single core improvements are nice, but not enough to justify it. Then again, I guess i'm just not it's targeted market.
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Guys just a random observation here as I just put my 7850K underwater (thank you micro center) and put it at 4.6Ghz

The Single threaded IPC gains are definitely there. For months I have been zerging and WvW in GW2 and have watched my FX8350 sit idly at 4.9Ghz with 64% GPU usage. The moment I got my 7850K up and running and at 4.6GHz I was shocked to see GPU usage at 89% constant and my minimum frame not dip below 22FPS.

I know it's highly situational but the IPC Improvement is there in at least one poorly threaded MMO game. I have a feeling as time goes on and chip set drivers move forward we will see a lot better performance out of this chip.

Either way, poorly coded or not I was not expecting to see such drastic relief of my GPU bottleneck in any game, much less GW2.

This is exactly what I wanted to know. Overclocked with real world poorly coded game performance against the FX. I am picking up GW 2 soon and was thinking it may be in my best interest to switch from FX-6300 to 7850K seeing how I'm not multitasking as much anymore. But without any of the review sites having overclocked performance included in their reviews, I was pretty much left in the dark. Hearing this at least makes the price a bit easier to swallow. I would appreciate it if you could share with us your experience with other games either cpu or gpu bound.
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I'm with you man. I'd be all over a six or eight core version as well.

I have a feeling the single core improvements the way they were implemented are basically only going to be worth it for games and not much else. I know it makes little sense as they don't really show in Cinebench ( I got a 3.51 multi score BTW at stock) and the such, but I can't explain my GW2 jump with anything else as I have only replaced the processor and mobo today.

Anyway till HSA benches are widely available and Mantle and the imaginary (hopefully not) crossfire with a 290 come to pass, everything else with this chip is nothing more than potential. aN
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This is exactly what I wanted to know. Overclocked with real world poorly coded game performance against the FX. I am picking up GW 2 soon and was thinking it may be in my best interest to switch from FX-6300 to 7850K seeing how I'm not multitasking as much anymore. But without any of the review sites having overclocked performance included in their reviews, I was pretty much left in the dark. Hearing this at least makes the price a bit easier to swallow. I would appreciate it if you could share with us your experience with other games either cpu or gpu bound.

I intend to. Check out my thread in the AMD CPU section. On a walk right now and need to get my ram straightened out due to a few random Blue screens (though I think that's my system telling me to do a clean windows install more than anything) but I'll be the boards guinea pig till the board has a few more people with it.

So expect a little more this week, but a lot more this weekend.

BTW I'm with you man, GW2 hates FX chips for some reason. I've never been able to figure it out. Such a weirdly coded game.
Edited by yawa - 1/14/14 at 7:34pm
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Tigerdirect has had it for $179.99 well before Newegg had it listed. In addition, they are willing to price match Amazon... Retailers are only able to get away with asking for above MSRP because individuals like yourself are willing to pay a premium for no reason whatsoever...

As a customer, I don't care if they want $10 more for the CPU if the motherboard is $10 cheaper in a case where I want both. It's effectively the same price. If I were buying -just- a CPU today, I'd have gone elsewhere.
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