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Everyone seems to be ignoring the poor little A8-7600.Its offers much better VFM than any other CPU with intergreted or dicrete graphics for just $120.It would destroy any i3 with igpu in gaming performance and any pentium+dedicated gpu.The best one can do is probably Pentium G3220+6670 ddr3 which i beleive would be inferior to the A8-7600.
The only issue i have is people would need to buy faster Ram to get the full benefit of APU which would cost a lot .
OCing ram is also an option just get the cheapest ram with relatively good timings at low speeds.
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There is a pretty big performance hit the 7750 takes when going to DDR3 from GDDR5. That might account for the less than spectacular performance from the GPU part.

http://ht4u.net/reviews/2012/msi_radeon_hd_7750_2gb_ddr3_test/index39.php
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AIDA64 is HSA ready already, actually. You can benchmark the benefits.

I get what your saying for sure..... BUT i don't want to benchmark i would rather have a load (or a few!) compelling programs/software and maybe a game even showing the advantages. I don't bench so hUMA/HSA to me is useless at the moment. So the MAIN advantage this has over the 5/6xxK is unusable so what is the point of it. Gains are nice for sure but the main selling point (HSA) is not even enabled.

AMD we want MOAR higher wattage APU's <100W pointless for Desktop imho.

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Something tells me that targeting the minority (SSF) of an already small market (ITX) isn't the most profitable idea.
The only thing that'll get raped is whoever that tries to play a competitive FPS with 50 ms frame times.

You joke or? who would even think about playing competitive on a entry level APU? whoever wants to play decent on medium/low settings, will have MUCH worse gameplay experience on HD4600, compared to R7 part.
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I wonder if people realize that China is where AMD gets the majority of their revenue. The bottom line is that, this product does in fact allow for very small form factor builds. From a competitive gaming point of view, players tend to turn down all the visuals for multiplayers like Battlefield 4. The simple fact that this can be used in extremely small form factors can bring about the ability to quickly and inexpensively deploy quick office spaces, lan parties and the like.

I've read this thread from the beginning to the end and it seems like we only see things in the "oh it is not the fastest so it is a flop". Granted, I would have loved for the IPS to be better, but given the limited resources of AMD battling both the GPU and CPU front, compromises must be made. Just think what will happen if they completely pull out of the CPU market and let Intel take all the market share? To be honest, I believe they released a top notch product and is performing very well prior to the Catalyst 14.1 beta release where formal support will be had. People are also forgetting the fact that there are hardware DSPs to improve gaming immersion on the die.

Another point I would like to make is that the APU does what it is supposed to and is to some extent an investment. Though no formal releases have been made with Mantle or applications that leverage hUMA and HQ, we can expect at least Mantle to come out soon and the latter to come second half of 2014 to 2015 with Adobe, Java and other major players releasing new products.

Finally, from a business stand point, by attacking the most profitable sector of the market (the everyday people), AMD stands a much better chance of expanding their future R&D expenditure with the increase in revenue.

TL;DR: AMD released a product that performs as promised and has a lot of upside from future software releases that leverage this architecture. The APUs target the mainstream consumer and not most of us enthusiasts. An APU allows for higher profit margins as they are then able to sell more (performance) for less silicon.

Just my $0.02 and a quick rant.
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Also semmingly overlooked by most people in this thread is that this is on a beta driver.... Let it mature for a few days/weeks before everyone screams failchild!
 
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I kind of like the A8 7600. In fact I really like.

$119 for an APU that can play games at 1080p at low settings. Low settings isn't bad, it just means that the game won't look as good. That isn't something I have a problem with, I played through Far Cry 2 and Skyrim entirely with an HD 3450. This APU is better than an HD3450. This is a pretty nice little chip.

I don't like the 7850k as it's pretty overpriced (though I need to read more, these are first impressions), but the 7600 looks like a cute little chip that can actually get some stuff done.
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AMD is in a weird place. It wants to target an audience who doesn't care about performance, price their chips well above that audience's range, and then claim that it's competitive with a high-end Intel CPU.

The ONLY way AMD can compete with Intel at this point is if they price ridiculously low, like under $100.
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Good job amd, matching i5 with dgpu and completely destroying it with igpu for 30€ less and with support for mantle and hsa.thumb.gif
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"The Core i3-4330 beat the A8-7600 in the bulk of our non-gaming tests, including most of the multithreaded ones. Intel continues to have advantages in single-threaded performance and power efficiency, as well." -Techreport
The new Kaveri APU cant even compare to an i3 to be honest in either single or even multi-threaded tasks
Here's another quote from Techreport
"Gamers who actually care about graphics performance are better off with discrete video cards that deliver better visuals and smoother frame delivery, while those who don't care about gaming are better served by Intel chips with higher per-thread performance and lower power consumption (which typically leads to lower noise levels.) APUs occupy this awkward middle ground for so-called casual gamers who want something better than an Intel IGP but not as good as a halfway-decent graphics card. As Jerry Seinfeld would say, "who are these people?" Seriously, I've never met one."
So we see that these APU's are for a niche audience mainly casual gamers and the pre-built gaming/casual/all in one PC market.This is where am worried because AMD are placing all their bets on APU which is a niche market in desktop space while they should have instead focused on mobile versions of this APU for use in laptops and ultrabooks where they would be more successful.

I think it is techreport who lives in no mans land, really. On steam survey we can see millions of people that currently game on intel HD and don't even get me started on those that play Diablo III and WoW with something like a C2D or a 8600GT or a GT620. A10-7850k would be an amazing upgrade for the gaming masses.AMD iGPUs are already good enough and it won't take more than 2 generations for intel to get there as well.
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