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How on earth does your Kaveri build save you $300 over an intel solution?
HD7750 + an Intel i5 is like 100 + 250 while Kaveri is 120 for the cheap model so I wouldn't say 300 but you'll save a considerable amount.

Why go Intel ? The problem with the A10-7850K is that AMD themselves provide for an arguably better solution for the same price: AMD Athlon 760K + AMD Radeon HD 7770. Far superior gaming performance and you get Mantle support too.


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People must be realistic and not totally unrealistic A10-7850K or A10-7700K is not overpriced. Actually this price is fully expected, because "with this APU-s comes Batleffield 4 game which is not free"(AMD has paid for Batlefield 4 bundle) so simple fact and yet people do not understand anything.wink.gif

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113360

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113359

http://www.pugetsystems.com/parts/Software-Games/AMD-Bundle-Battlefield-4-with-AMD-A10-7700K-or-A10-7850K-only-10003

It's not really like that since you have to buy a motherboard to benefit from that. You can't just buy the APU. Which means that if you want to buy a better / different motherboard than the ones on offer or in fact have already bought one, you're out of luck, and still have to pay the inflated price of the APU.


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Cannot remember asking before, so here we go - who included graphics on the CPU 1st , amd or intel ?

intel on package, AMD on die.

Are you sure ? Intel came first with an on package solution with Clarkdale in early 2010 and first on-die with SB in early 2011. Llano is from mid-2011.
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I think that was coupled with the chipset.

afaik first CPU series to do this on package was clarkdale on lga1156.

Yes it was part of the chipset but its purpose wasn't any different, all I am saying , just another mobo circuit that eventually moved on package/die.
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Are you sure ? Intel came first with an on package solution with Clarkdale in early 2010 and first on-die with SB in early 2011. Llano is from mid-2011.

You're actually right... I remembered that the bobcat and llano based stuff came out earlier...

Well then, intel for package and on die it would seem.
 
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You're actually right... I remembered that the bobcat and llano based stuff came out earlier...

Well then, intel for package and on die it would seem.

Brazos is from 4th January, 2011 while SB is Jan 9, 2011. Close, but AMD got it first xD
   
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Brazos is from 4th January, 2011 while SB is Jan 9, 2011. Close, but AMD got it first xD

Well 3 years ago is too long anyway, can't expect me to remember stuff like that lol.

I actually had an E-350 netbook... still works, though it's slow as hell.
 
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You're actually right... I remembered that the bobcat and llano based stuff came out earlier...

Well then, intel for package and on die it would seem.

Brazos is from 4th January, 2011 while SB is Jan 9, 2011. Close, but AMD got it first xD


Oh, Brazos, I had forgotten about that date. That was close then. From what I remember though, it was a paper launch in many places, it was months before you could actually buy them. I know because I bought a Netbook in 2011 and wanted one and ended up buying one with an Atom N550.


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Earlier this month, AMD officially launched Brazos with hardware expected sometime this quarter. For the past couple of weeks I’ve been testing a Brazos mini-ITX motherboard from MSI and today, it’s time to break the silence and share the results. They are quite good.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4134/the-brazos-review-amds-e350-supplants-ion-for-miniitx
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Personally I don't call that progress.

Cinebench 11.5 is stuck in stone age when it comes to taking advantage of newer non-intel processors,7850k has SSE4.2 and AVX that phenom II lacks but neither extension is relevant for that benchmark. But the issue here is that dual module chips have replaced tri-core processors, three modules are the quad successors and 4 modules (octocores) replaced hexacores-an FX-6300 would dominate Phenom II X4 in pretty much every workload as of october 2012 already. A10-7850k CPU part is roughly half of that 245mm^2 die. So for what it physically is (a tiny L3-less cpu) and for what instructions it is forced to run under CB11.5 ,kaveri is doing decently when compared to a deneb. So yeah, I call that progress, especially with such a decent iGPU, this is a laptop chip, let's not fool ourselves.
The real problem is that AMD has started retreating from mid-high desktop area and above (i5 or higher). Forced or out of choice, due to their arch or because of GloFo's shortcomings, all of the above or none of the above, makes little difference.
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Two things, any one calling this a failure with a 10% ipc performance boost, and a 30% GPU boost, is really far beyond the market that AMD is going for.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

The top three graphics cards in use according to steams survey, are Intel HD2000, 3000, and 4000. Followed by three older nvidia cards. I'd rather game on a APU then have to suffer through an intel integrated graphics use ever again. Even most of the CPU's in use are dual core.

Second, it's still an incomplete product that needs a ton of the software still in development to support the hardware right now. Once those come in to the picture and gel, I'll MAYBE upgrade to Kaveri.
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Two things, any one calling this a failure with a 10% ipc performance boost, and a 30% GPU boost, is really far beyond the market that AMD is going for.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

The top three graphics cards in use according to steams survey, are Intel HD2000, 3000, and 4000. Followed by three older nvidia cards. I'd rather game on a APU then have to suffer through an intel integrated graphics use ever again. Even most of the CPU's in use are dual core.

Second, it's still an incomplete product that needs a ton of the software still in development to support the hardware right now. Once those come in to the picture and gel, I'll MAYBE upgrade to Kaveri.


You're missing the point, AMD itself provides a better deal, even on the same FM2+ platform. Get an Athlon 760K and a Radeon HD 7770 for the same price of an A10-7850K and you get much better gaming performance right out of the box. The cost of the platform is the same as the Athlon fits in either the FM2 or FM2+ socket. You don't need to wait for Mantle to justify the price either, but you will get it when it comes too. Best of both worlds. Oh, and the IPC gains you mention are negated by the lower stock clocks.
 
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