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And how is there no way? Actually if you check the anandtech review you see slides that AMD sent them showing a 100% uplift from adding a r7 240 to a a10-7850k so unless you are saying double the performance of a 7750 DDR3 can't beat a 7770. I think even with the 384SP rather than 512 it can stll match or beat it. The reason is quite simple and that is gcn 1.1

The HD 7770 runs at 1000MHz core and 4.5GHz memory with 640 steam processors.

The A8-7600 has 384 steam processors running at 720MHz utilizing DDR3 memory bandwidth, pairing it with a R7 240 which has 320 Steam processors running at 730MHz and 1800MHz effective memory clock (it has been said that GDDR3 models only hybrid crossfire) leaves you with a product that doesn't even begin touch the base specs of the 7770 assuming 100% scaling...


On a side note, I just picked up my A10-7850K with BF4 for $173.99 for my originally planned build. Lets see if I can break 5GHz under water on the UD4 board.
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The HD 7770 runs at 1000MHz core and 4.5GHz memory with 640 steam processors.

The A8-7600 has 384 steam processors running at 720MHz utilizing DDR3 memory bandwidth, pairing it with a R7 240 which has 320 Steam processors running at 730MHz and 1800MHz effective memory clock (it has been said that GDDR3 models only hybrid crossfire) leaves you with a product that doesn't even begin touch the base specs of the 7770 assuming 100% scaling...


On a side note, I just picked up my A10-7850K with BF4 for $173.99 for my originally planned build. Lets see if I can break 5GHz under water on the UD4 board.

Have you paired the 7850k with a r9 290? If so can you give a update on if it performs better than with the 4770k? Cheers.
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Have you paired the 7850k with a r9 290? If so can you give a update on if it performs better than with the 4770k? Cheers.

I have my 4770K under water with quad 290s unlocked to 290X, the 7850K will also be under water with crossfire 290s (these didn't unlock unfortunately). The 7850K was just ordered so it will be this weekend at the earliest before the system is up and running since two day shipping will end up having the APU delivered on Friday or Saturday based on the processing time at TigerDirect. They are pretty good about shipping timely with Inner Circle but this is the first time I am using ShopRunner through them so we shall see if this causes any delays.
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The R7 240 has 320 Stream Processors, not 384. Also, it's GCN 1.0, not 1.1.
The 7600 has 384 really don't start an argument if you haven't checked your stuff the anand AMD slides show a 100% uplift over a 7850k with a R7 240 therefore it would yield that or higher uplift over a 384SP A8-7600
How can you say I'm wrong when it isn't even AMD naming rolleyes.gif



The only question I still have is whether the Kaveri is when it is disabled or that it is the R7 240 as solo dedicated gpu. Anyhow the gain is there now just hope the frame times are good"
Edited by maarten12100 - 1/15/14 at 1:17pm
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The 7600 has 384 really don't start an argument if you haven't checked your stuff

Again, he said the R7 240 has 320 steam processors and is GCN 1.0, not 1.1... reading comprehension goes a long way...

As far as your Anandtech "benchmarks", again reading comprehension goes a long way...
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Dual Graphics

AMD has been coy regarding Dual Graphics, especially when frame pacing gets plunged into the mix. I am struggling to think if at any point during their media presentations whether dual graphics, the pairing of the APU with a small discrete GPU for better performance, actually made an appearance. During the UK presentations, I specifically asked about this with little response except for ‘AMD is working to provide these solutions’. I pointed out that it would be beneficial if AMD gave an explicit list of paired graphics solutions that would help users when building systems, which is what I would like to see anyway.

AMD did address the concept of Dual Graphics in their press deck. In their limited testing scenario, they paired the A10-7850K (which has R7 graphics) with the R7 240 2GB GDDR3. In fact their suggestion is that any R7 based APU can be paired with any G/DDR3 based R7 GPU. Another disclaimer is that AMD recommends testing dual graphics solutions with their 13.350 driver build, which due out in February. Whereas for today's review we were sent their 13.300 beta 14 and RC2 builds (which at this time have yet to be assigned an official Catalyst version number).

The following image shows the results as presented in AMD’s slide deck. We have not verified these results in any way and are only here as a reference from AMD.


It's worth noting that while AMD's performance with dual graphics thus far has been inconsistent, we do have some hope that it will improve with Kaveri if AMD is serious about continuing to support it. With Trinity/Richland AMD's iGPU was in an odd place, being based on an architecture (VLIW4) that wasn't used in the cards it was paired with (VLIW5). Never mind the fact that both were a generation behind GCN, where the bulk of AMD's focus was. But with Kavari and AMD's discrete GPUs now both based on GCN, and with AMD having significantly improved their frame pacing situation in the last year, dual graphics is in a better place as an entry level solution to improving gaming performance. Though like Crossfire on the high-end, there are inevitably going to be limits to what AMD can do in a multi-GPU setup versus a single, more powerful GPU.

Either way, your mindless ramblings are becoming tiresome, Good day.
Edited by Slomo4shO - 1/15/14 at 2:10pm
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I think this thread would be two thirds the size it's become if the 7850K was priced $40 less. This has become more of a battle of the bang for buck than actually props for for what it is. Hopefully that made sense.

There are no bad products just bad prices...

there's cases where that doesn't hold true tongue.gif

It's also unrealistic since the A10-6800k launched at ~$140 and it came with 384 VLIW GPU cores

Anyhow I think AMD will cut prices if it doesn't sell well, that is usually their strategy
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The 7600 has 384 really don't start an argument if you haven't checked your stuff the anand AMD slides show a 100% uplift over a 7850k with a R7 240 therefore it would yield that or higher uplift over a 384SP A8-7600
How can you say I'm wrong when it isn't even AMD naming rolleyes.gif



The only question I still have is whether the Kaveri is when it is disabled or that it is the R7 240 as solo dedicated gpu. Anyhow the gain is there now just hope the frame times are good"

A10-7850K is currently at $190, the cheapest R7 240 is $70. So that's $260 total.

The i3-4130 is currently $119, with the cheapest R7 260X $140. Total comes to $259.

Not even a contest really. Let's not forget that hybrid crossfire doesn't always work correctly, some titles are not supported either.




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Anyone wanna talk about gpgpu and what it means for kaveri instead of wiggling micro peens at each other?
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Anyone wanna talk about gpgpu and what it means for kaveri instead of wiggling micro peens at each other?

maybe we like to wiggle micro peens
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As if there is something preventing you from placing multiple orders at different sites and using the $10 to upgrade other components or saving the funds... No sense in arguing against this faulty logic... Being penny wise and pound foolish still leaves you broke, I hope you aren't counting on social security thumb.gif

You judge me by that which you do not understand. I cannot take your criticism seriously.
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