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Some people on this thread still didn't realize that:

1. The article in the OP is talking about Kaveri;

2. The reviews for Kaveri are out: http://www.overclock.net/t/1459045/various-amd-kaveri-a10-7850k-7700k-7600-reviews/



As to this PR stunt of adding GPU cores to CPU cores in order to somehow compete against Intel: it honestly feels like that "moar cores" mantra. AMD has always marketed their discrete GPUs with the number of Stream Processors, not the number of GPU cores. This new approach is highly incoherent, especially taking into consideration their approach to the CPU part of the equation. If they were to apply the same macro logic, then Kaveri only has 2 CPU cores.
 
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post #52 of 65
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AMD, you'll trump Intel when you trump their IPC, moar cores isn't trumping them.

While keeping TDP under 125 watts too.
post #53 of 65
just report him, ignore him and move on.
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post #54 of 65
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thats how i see it.

Why shouldnt intel release something groundbreaking when the competition is tripping over their feet? Waiting for amd to light a fire under intels backside again, then they'll release their groundbreaking product. Until that happens, 5% increase here, 10% there, 5% there etc etc.
I would like it, but for mainstream users i bet they wouldnt know where to begin if they saw a chip without the IHS on it lol. I bet people would still find a way to break the chip. People deliding usually have some knowledge of cpus.

True, but not many are willing to void their warranty on deliding their Intel CPUs...Having an exposed die removes the thermal cooling bottleneck seen from 3rd and 4th gen Intel CPUs....I believe it was also a problem on Nivdia's Fermi chips where people would mod their GPUs to remove the IHS for better thermal efficiency.
post #55 of 65
No offense, but this is probably going to turn out to be a disappointment. I don't expect anything spectacular - definitely not on the order of what AMD is claiming...

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http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/CPU/KAVERI-APU/KAVERI-APU-66.jpg

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/65031-amd-kaveri-a10-7850k-a8-7600-review-17.html

The 4670K can be had for $200 (at Microcenter) or $230 or so on Amazon / Newegg whereas Anandtech has the A10 7800K at about $173 (table towards the bottom). This thing isn't going to be so great for a gaming machine, if you can stretch that little bit further - unless you're on a strict budget, the 4670K would be a better deal. More cores =/= better performance, especially when more than half of the "cores" are on the GPU.
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True, but not many are willing to void their warranty on deliding their Intel CPUs...Having an exposed die removes the thermal cooling bottleneck seen from 3rd and 4th gen Intel CPUs....I believe it was also a problem on Nivdia's Fermi chips where people would mod their GPUs to remove the IHS for better thermal efficiency.

It would be great if people would stop saying it voids the warranty. Valgaur op of the delidded thread spoke with an intel rep and it does not void your warranty. As long as the IHS is glued back on and you can read the markings you are covered under intel warranty.

Also it has been shown and proven if people read the bottleneck was from an air gap. Not the paste they used. . rolleyes.gif

On topic. Meh chip.
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another thing about intel

you can get their protection plan for $25 and do pretty much anything you want to the chip you have covered by the plan and they will replace it for you.
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No offense, but this is probably going to turn out to be a disappointment. I don't expect anything spectacular - definitely not on the order of what AMD is claiming...

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http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/CPU/KAVERI-APU/KAVERI-APU-66.jpg

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/65031-amd-kaveri-a10-7850k-a8-7600-review-17.html

The 4670K can be had for $200 (at Microcenter) or $230 or so on Amazon / Newegg whereas Anandtech has the A10 7800K at about $173 (table towards the bottom). This thing isn't going to be so great for a gaming machine, if you can stretch that little bit further - unless you're on a strict budget, the 4670K would be a better deal. More cores =/= better performance, especially when more than half of the "cores" are on the GPU.

This is not about "what Intel cpu I can get for xxx dollars", it's about what AMD is bringing to the front of computing. Unified architecture is their goal and this is a step towards that. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that there are different ways of solving the same problem, and what AMD is doing is outside the accepted "box" for solutions to the problem. Let them go. Innovation is the best way to stimulate better products for everyone.
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post #59 of 65
Awesome, I'd love to see AMD push a few more cores to mainstream computing.

I have no illusions AMD can beat Intel, it's not like Intel couldnt make an unlocked version of the Xeon E5-2697 v2 and sell it to us for $300 within the week.

But

At least it would force Intel to lower it's prices on some of it's mid-high end stuff.
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Awesome, I'd love to see AMD push a few more cores to mainstream computing.

I have no illusions AMD can beat Intel, it's not like Intel couldnt make an unlocked version of the Xeon E5-2697 v2 and sell it to us for $300 within the week.

But

At least it would force Intel to lower it's prices on some of it's mid-high end stuff.

They are talking about Kaveri. The ones that have just been released. They are basically adding the CPU cores to the GPU cores, in an incoherent manner I added in a previous post, but anyway, they are not talking about a twelve core CPU.
 
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