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Originally Posted by Darkling5499 View Post

the problem with the FCC is that they have no real power. anything they try to do when it comes to sweeping changes gets challenged by the big telecom industries and struck down by the supreme court (who was funded by the industries), or just dies in commitee. as a fellow CT resident, you of all people should understand how regulation is desperately needed in that industry (our internet is basically monopolized depending on area. one company to choose from).

I said that 1 post prior to the one you quoted and referred back to the following:
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Those monopolies exist currently because the FCC has limitations on how they do their job.

The FCC themselves, put those limitations in place.

This //entire// situation we find ourselves in are because the original regulations that were made, no longer hold any validity because we have new standards, new regulations and new technologies. So when Verizon challenges the FCC, they can't do ANYTHING as a governing body because their standards are from 10 years ago.

...

In order for the FCC to actually do it's job, it needs new regulations, new bylaws and a complete overhaul. Only then will we actually have net neutrality. Only then will we have standards...Only then will we have a governing body over the internet where-as right now, we really actually have none.

In fact within the post you quoted...
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Further, within Connecticut, there are 5 power companies that distribute electricity along THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE. Only when you discuss the internet does this become an issue BECAUSE the FCC didn't do their job. They never have. They're horrible at it. It's the Gov't being the Gov't.

The FCC's lack of enforcement has created the monopoly on infrastructure and their lack of standards have caused this "net neutrality" situation.

So yeah.
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America needs to remove most of the money from politics if not all.

anyways




Confused, isnt this going to cost some people a crap ton of money just to use their connection for normal data packets? Seems almost criminal
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Originally Posted by phill1978 View Post

America needs to remove most of the money from politics if not all.

anyways
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Confused, isnt this going to cost some people a crap ton of money just to use their connection for normal data packets? Seems almost criminal

I really hate to say this but, even with everything on that list, it's the same that I pay now.

I pay for 40 down / 8 up -- $80/month.

Realistically I get 20-30 down and 4-5 up...

The FCC is also going to appeal -- I almost guarantee it.

The only question at this point is: Are they challenging based on the promise of changing regulations and standards or, are they going to challenge based on existing standards?

Postal also made a very good point earlier in the thread.

The FCC is a lot like your stereotypical older brother. Sometimes he's awesome. Sometimes he's a bully. Sometimes he beats the crap out of you. Sometimes you just hug it out. -- To Postal, or any ISP, the FCC is largely unpredictable and standards are often based on the individual standing there, at that moment -- Consistency is a major issue and IMO, new regulations are the only way to achieve that standard.
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Originally Posted by Master__Shake View Post

what about the 1996 telecommunications act.200 billion dollars of PUBLIC money for what?

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Originally Posted by Darkling5499 View Post

they took the money and rewrote the definition of fiber to include everything above dial-up, essentially.

Please, know what you are talking about before you speak.

Vast amounts of Fiber were ran with that money, VAST! I have an entire write-up on this forum somewhere with the documents for it, which are available to the public from the FCC.

The only waist that happened with that money was the Fiber not being used, no thanks to the giant Telecom companies.
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this is basically what was advertised by companies trying to get of it.

"Hey, only use Facebook and yahoo? then only pay $10 / month for internet!"

"Want news too? Just add $5/month for the first 500mb of data to view your favorite news sites!*"


*after the cap (or without a plan), speed is limited to 128kbs

Very real, and very scary, but some companies have tried this in the past already.
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I really hate to say this but, even with everything on that list, it's the same that I pay now.

I pay for 40 down / 8 up -- $80/month.

Realistically I get 20-30 down and 4-5 up...

The FCC is also going to appeal -- I almost guarantee it.

The only question at this point is: Are they challenging based on the promise of changing regulations and standards or, are they going to challenge based on existing standards?

Postal also made a very good point earlier in the thread.

The FCC is a lot like your stereotypical older brother. Sometimes he's awesome. Sometimes he's a bully. Sometimes he beats the crap out of you. Sometimes you just hug it out. -- To Postal, or any ISP, the FCC is largely unpredictable and standards are often based on the individual standing there, at that moment -- Consistency is a major issue and IMO, new regulations are the only way to achieve that standard.

i pay the equivalent of $18 a month for 70 down and about 18 up

but i also don't get the whine. In the US everything is cheaper than in the EU apart from Internet so you cant have it all ways plus someone has to pay for that huge amount of modernized infrastructure in a hulking great country

the major downside is the possible shut down of sites that connected corporations and power groups/gov don't like, which typically could be things that help people find out about shady goings on in these exact areas
Edited by Pip Boy - 1/16/14 at 2:06pm
post #86 of 95
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Please, know what you are talking about before you speak.

Vast amounts of Fiber were ran with that money, VAST! I have an entire write-up on this forum somewhere with the documents for it, which are available to the public from the FCC.


that explains why the amount of places with fiber internet avialable can be counted on one hand lachen.gif
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that explains why the amount of places with fiber internet avialable can be counted on one hand lachen.gif

Again, know what you are talking about.

I didn't say that fiber was being used, that it was just ran. It is what we call in the industry "Dark Fiber", Fiber that was put in the ground and never used. Want to know why? Write your State representative and ask them, after all, it was a lot of our Representatives that "voted" to not utilize it.
    
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they ran fiber in my neighborhood years and years ago and never used it. pretty stupid IMO
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they ran fiber in my neighborhood years and years ago and never used it. pretty stupid IMO

This is VERY common.
    
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Worth listening to. For those not familiar with Peter Schiff, he is IMO a leading macro economist, ideal libertarian, and proponent of real free market capitalism, not the crony capatilism we have today. He's not an expert on net neutrality but he had the good sense to invite one onto his show and have a discussion regarding federal overreach but he does make some good points regarding making it fruitful for business to want to provide access. Good discussion.
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