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I'm going through the process of making some upgrades to my build and I'm considering a CPU/motherboard upgrade as I really don't want to wait until Haswell-EE to move up from my 8120/Gigabyte 990FXA-UD5 that I'm currently using.

Upgrades so far:
Lepa G900 900W gold semi modular --> Corsair AX860 with individually sleeved cables
Added a Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD, considering getting a second for a RAID 0
Sapphire Vapor-X Radeon HD 5870 --> 2X Crossfire Gigabyte WF3 Radeon HD 7950s

My question is should I settle with an i5-4670K with a good MB (Currently thinking either a Max VI Gene/Hero, Gigabyte Z87-UD4H, or Gigabyte G1 Sniper M5/ Z87S) or should I opt for the i7-4770K with a similar MB to have higher resale value when I want to upgrade again next year? I live about 50 minutes drive time from the MicroCenter in Columbus, Ohio so I would be able to get a pretty solid deal on the combo and I'm looking at spending about $350-500.
post #2 of 35
Not sure what you do with your system but if you mainly use it for gaming go for the i5 4670K, I think if you want to sell it in the future you can sell it for relatively the same price as a 4770K.

For MB, I would go with the Gigabyte since they seem the most sollid boards right now. You can go for a Z87X-UD3H because it is practically the same board as a UD4H, the main difference is just the color I believe.

For PSU I'm not sure about it but the AX series seem very solid. And for a extra SSD you should ask yourself if you really need it or not.
post #3 of 35
Cooler Master V850 would be a better option then the Corsair AX860
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Why you couldnt wait for haswell-e?
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Originally Posted by ricklen View Post

Not sure what you do with your system but if you mainly use it for gaming go for the i5 4670K, I think if you want to sell it in the future you can sell it for relatively the same price as a 4770K.

For MB, I would go with the Gigabyte since they seem the most sollid boards right now. You can go for a Z87X-UD3H because it is practically the same board as a UD4H, the main difference is just the color I believe.

For PSU I'm not sure about it but the AX series seem very solid. And for a extra SSD you should ask yourself if you really need it or not.

I was thinking that going the i5 and a better MB would be best since right now I don't do too much with photography and whatnot... it's hard to find time for it when I work 50+ hours a week and go to school full time, lol. As far as the SSD goes, I love having my steam games on it, and I already have a nice library (All the CS series, all of the COD series except for W@W and BLOPS 2, CIv V, Skyrim w/ all the DLC, Fallout 3 GOTY Ed. and New Vegas Ult. Ed., Left For Dead 1 & 2, FC3, FC3: Blood Dragon, etc) and I'm running out of room on my 250GB already so I definitely could use another one next time I see a good sale price on them.
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Cooler Master V850 would be a better option then the Corsair AX860

I can't stand the new flat cables that Cooler Master uses and after watching a CM PSU torch my best friend's new rig a last year, I kinda swore them off. I know they're still pretty good, and that bad parts will always come around once in a while, but it's just a personal preference. Also, I couldn't really pass on the sale price I saw for the AX860 though, I got it for $139.99 + free shipping since I had a $20 coupon on amazon, that's kinda hard to beat.

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Why you couldnt wait for haswell-e?

My FX-8120 very noticeably is bottlenecking my Crossfire 7950s when I want to max out settings in any games I play, even in older games like Fallout 3 and Civilization IV. Besides, this upgrade in my opinion is a justifiable stepping stone as we're not likely to see Haswell-E until Q2-2015 at the earliest... close to 18 months of use is definintely justifiable to me, and that's why I'm willing to drop $500ish bucks since I know I should be easily able to recoup around $300 of that when Haswell-E comes.

My later upgrade plans down the road this year will be a new tower (really loving the idea of a 750D at the moment) and picking up a pair of GTX 780s used here on the marketplace after Maxwell launches. I figure I should be able to pick up a pair for about $600-700 easily enough, and I have no worries about doing so since manufacturers like EVGA allow the transfer of warranties to a second hand owner.


Any other thoughts or opinions from anyone are greatly appreciated!
post #6 of 35
I would put the extra money into a 4770K rather than into a more expensive motherboard, at least from an overclocking perspective. Motherboard makes very little difference in overclocking Haswell, at least on air/water, so unless there is something (like extra connectivity) you need from a more expensive motherboard I would target something in the Gigabyte UD3H class/price range.
post #7 of 35
Cooler Master does not make the PSU´s they sell nor does Corsair

And the V850 is the same PSU as the AX860 just without the coil whine

Its also cheaper in most places and has a better bigger and more quiet fan

So you want to spend more money to get something thats worse just so you can get some silly colored cables
Edited by shilka - 1/15/14 at 12:55pm
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post #8 of 35
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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

Cooler Master does not make the PSU´s they sell nor does Corsair

And the V850 is the same PSU as the AX860 just without the coil whine

Its also cheaper in most places and has a better bigger and more quiet fan

So you want to spend more money to get something thats worse just so you can get some silly colored cables

Calm down, man. Obviously it's my money to spend, and I made the choice I did for my own reasons. I still saved money on this purchase since my aunt and uncle in Florida gave me a $100 gift certificate to PPCS for Christmas (the only family that got me anything that fits my personality... then again, Uncle Chip is a PC nerd, too...). I basically paid shipping for the cables and got the PSU for about $40-50 less than it normally sells for. Please.. have faith... I am a die-hard when it comes to finding what I want for the best deal, lol. Even if the fan in my unit suffers from a coil whine problem, I have my doubts it will drown out the loud as hell fans on my CPU cooler, lol. This PSU won't be my main long term PSU anyways. When I upgrade to 780s I'll be moving up to at least a 1000W gold/platinum unit at the same time and transferring the AX 860 and my 7950s to my folding rig.
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I would put the extra money into a 4770K rather than into a more expensive motherboard, at least from an overclocking perspective. Motherboard makes very little difference in overclocking Haswell, at least on air/water, so unless there is something (like extra connectivity) you need from a more expensive motherboard I would target something in the Gigabyte UD3H class/price range.

With my intentions of upgrading to GTX 780s down the road, would it be worth my while, and more importantly my money, to get a board with a PLX chip like the G1 Sniper 5 (as far as I've been able to find the only board in my price range with a PLX chip) or would I even really even notice enough of a difference from x8 to almost x16 speeds to even bother with that? Considering that I've been running an FX-8120 for the last 2 years, the more I think about it, the i7 seems like it would be a much more noticeable performance jump given the number of applications I've seen use all 8 threads my 8120 has thanks to tracking utilization, wattage, and temps periodically with HWinfo. The alternate idea I had toyed with but am kind of steering away from was getting a 4820K and going will a socket 2011 build, but since Intel will be phasing out 2011 with Haswell-E, I want to wait until then to make the jump to an i7-E build since Haswell-E will be compatible with both 2011 and it's replacement down the road in socket 2013.

As far as the overclocking considerations, my target that I'd like to achieve would be in the 4.3 to 4.5 minimum... ideally I'd love to hit 5+ if possible, but that would likely have to wait until the summer when I upgrade the GPUs and put the full upgraded system under a hefty custom loop since my 7950s are the Windforce 3 Rev 2.0s, and as such, are not compatible with any full block I've found anywhere... knew I should have asked if they were Rev 1 or Rev 2... but that's why they say hindsight is 20/20, lol. Anyways, is their a noticeable difference in OC capabilities from the i5 to the i7 that I should consider?

With MicroCenter's pricing (4670K for $200, 4770K for $280) I could afford either a Gigabyte G1 Sniper 5 (various sale prices as low as about $330) or the Asus M VI Formula ($310 @ MC on the bundle pricing) if I stretch my budget a bit with the i5. Other than those two, there aren't any boards I'm really looking at that would be above the $220-230 price ceiling I've given myself for this round of upgrades with choosing the i7. Outside of those I'm heavily considering MSI's MPower Max ($230- MC Bundle) or the GD-65 Gaming ($175 MB bundle), ASUS's Max VI Hero ($200 MC bundle) or Gene ($210 MC Bundle), or Gigabyte's G1 Sniper M5 ($165), Z87X- OC ($180-190), or theUD4H ($180 MC bundle) I don't want the UD3H since from what I've seen in the Gigabyte 990FX thread, they tend to use slightly lesser quality VRMs and mosfets in their UD3 boards compared to the mid and high end UD series. Plus, my current tower is a black with blue accents and LEDs theme and I want to do something different for the next one. In fact, I'm considering an Irish flag / folklore theme for the new tower which is why I'm even considering the GB-Z87X- OC's otherwise hideous black and orange color scheme, lol.
Edited by SpacemanSpliff - 1/15/14 at 10:57pm
post #10 of 35
No, there's no noticeable difference going from x8 to x16, no reason to get a PLX motherboard for 2-way SLI. The UD3H uses the same VRMs as the UD4H (and the Z87X-OC, I believe), although I'm not sure what they do on other platforms.

Edit: Yep, all the same (although some of them have a doubler). You can check here:
http://sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.png
Edited by Forceman - 1/15/14 at 11:31pm
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