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I run PT nuke in distilled in my loop.

Been over a year since i flushed it, no problems yet. The reservoir water still looks clean as new. Will get a better look in a few days. Just bought a 780 Hydro copper here on OCN. Will be disassembling and switching to clear tubing.
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Originally Posted by Skoobs View Post

I run PT nuke in distilled in my loop.

Been over a year since i flushed it, no problems yet. The reservoir water still looks clean as new. Will get a better look in a few days. Just bought a 780 Hydro copper here on OCN. Will be disassembling and switching to clear tubing.

Awesome ^^
Lets hear how it all looks! hopefully less to no goo in the system.
gz on your new gfx! would love one or two of those!!..
When you change, would you mind opening your old GPU block and send a pic? I would be interested in knowing how much (if any) goo would be in a block after a year with PT nuke.

*Edit
Dont think it has been said in this tread yet, PTNuke and Silver kill coil are both great options.. you just need to figgure what you like the most..
Silver: Cheap flush and simple addon to distilled but requires the system to run often for water to pass over the silver. and works best with only copper / brass in the system
PTNuke: A bit more expensive to flush but keeps killing even if system is off.. and doesnt care what metals is in your loop.
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I just ordered the silver kill coil. I do have some other metals in my loop. Now I am worried the kill coil won't do the job... Please help me determine whether the kill coil will be fine...

Thanks smile.gif

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http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17580/ex-blc-1376/Koolance_CPU-380I_Intel_Liquid_Cooling_CPU_Block_-_No_Fittings_.html


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http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_413_292_1153&products_id=36332


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http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15076/ex-rad-354/XSPC_EX140_Single_140mm_Low_Profile_Split_Fin_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s929


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post #24 of 58
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Originally Posted by GaMbi2004 View Post

Silver: Cheap flush and simple addon to distilled but requires the system to run often for water to pass over the silver. and works best with only copper / brass in the system

That's not true, it's not the water running over silver metal that kills microbials, believe it or not the silver actually dissolves (just a tiny bit) into the water releasing silver ions which is what actually kills algae. So you don't necessarily need to always keep the system running. Yes it will help the ions disperse and of course silver might be less effective if you just drop it in and never turn on the system and allow any water to flow but for the most part, you're not going to get any algae from leaving it off. I've had a system sit for about 4 months with only a silver coil, even though there was sunlight and warmth. No algae biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by mazooni View Post

I just ordered the silver kill coil. I do have some other metals in my loop. Now I am worried the kill coil won't do the job... Please help me determine whether the kill coil will be fine...
You'll be fine. My loops has been up about a year with a mix of nickel, copper, brass and only silver and it's been fine. One of them even has four waterblocks a huge radiator and a huge reservoir. One silver coil was all I ever needed.
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I would stay away from silver in my loop for a couple reasons. I sometimes turn my computer off for brief periods (a day or less) in which case silver won't be doing any good since it needs the water to flow past it constantly to be effective, but a biocide will still be present throughout the loop.

That, and I'd especially avoid silver if I had any nickel in my loop (currently the only nickel I have is in a few fittings, but still). Since you are running that Koolance CPU block you should be aware that Koolance will likely not honor the warranty on it for corrosion unless you use their coolant. They specifically will not warranty it if used with silver.
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Koolance's product warranty does not cover the use of 3rd-party coolants, coolant additives, or corrosion. Koolance LIQ-702 or LIQ-705 coolants are strongly recommended to help avoid issues with mixed metals or biological growth. Additionally, do not use aluminum with bare (unplated) copper or bare (unplated) brass in the same system. Do not use silver with nickel in the same system.

I'll leave it to Martin (of martinsliquidlabs) to explain why silver may not be such a good idea in a loop with nickel ...
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+1, Stay away from Silver if running Nickel plated stuff. While there may not be definitive testing to show it accelerates corrosion, the galvanic potential does increase with silver in the loop.
corrosionplating.png

Brass to Nickel is only a .10 where Brass to Silver is a .25.

Some of the EK test report showed that Silver ions do end up depositing in various areas.

Koolance also specifically says not to use Silver with their products most of which are nickel plated:
Really, your best bet if you really want to retain warranty coverage is to use the coolant recommended by the block manufacturer which will include some sort of corrosion inhibitor. Using anything else could void your warranty.

With that said, I've had good luck with Distilled + PTnuke (copper sulfate) as a biocide on all my loops.

Also, corrosion happens, you can't stop it completely, only slow it down enough. Using a bare copper block is actually the lower maintenance. It does get finger prints and brownish oxidation on the exterior, but it's something you can easily clean up with some ketchup or vinegar. Nickel plating however isn't something you can clean up on your own once the corrosion starts.

I personally tend to favor bare copper blocks myself, Nickel is for bling and just causes more work at more cost.

Anywho, the OP gave the choice between silver and 'PT Nuke PHN'.

I personally like the clear Nuke PHN (Benzalkonium chloride), but do note that it is ONLY meant to be used with just distilled. It's not meant to be used with any dyes, coolants, anti-corrosive or other additives of any kind.

If you think you might want to add anything extra like that you should use the more popular blue-colored 'PT Nuke' (copper sulfate) which is also the same active ingredient used in 'Dead Water' or 'Mayhems Biocide Extreme'.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 1/14/14 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by GaMbi2004 View Post

Awesome ^^
Lets hear how it all looks! hopefully less to no goo in the system.
gz on your new gfx! would love one or two of those!!..
When you change, would you mind opening your old GPU block and send a pic? I would be interested in knowing how much (if any) goo would be in a block after a year with PT nuke.

*Edit
Dont think it has been said in this tread yet, PTNuke and Silver kill coil are both great options.. you just need to figgure what you like the most..
Silver: Cheap flush and simple addon to distilled but requires the system to run often for water to pass over the silver. and works best with only copper / brass in the system
PTNuke: A bit more expensive to flush but keeps killing even if system is off.. and doesnt care what metals is in your loop.

This is my plan, and I am terrified because I have one of the original EKWB nickle plated blocks. I would bet money that my CPU block is corroded to heck, and that I am going to want a new one.
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This is so confusing!!!!! Everyone is saying something different... I really do not know what to do at this point. I was originally going to use the koolance liq-705 for the warranty but ups lost the order during shipping so I canceled it, ever since than I have just been looking for a different solution. If I mix the silver and the nickel and empty my loop and re fill about every 8-12 months would it still be bad?
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After doing some more research I think I will stick with the silver even though I have nickel. So I am going to use the fesser base along with the kill coil. I have had a account on this forum for a quite a long time but I never posted to much. I will definitely start posting more. I am not to familiar with how this forum works. What is rep?
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This is my plan, and I am terrified because I have one of the original EKWB nickle plated blocks. I would bet money that my CPU block is corroded to heck, and that I am going to want a new one.
yea.. Im no expert, but that sounds EXACTLY like the nickel problems I have read about.. was from some of the early EK nickel blocks.. but yea, I have no experience on this other that reading.
In your case, get a new block or use PTNuke instead of silver.
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This is so confusing!!!!! Everyone is saying something different... I really do not know what to do at this point. I was originally going to use the koolance liq-705 for the warranty but ups lost the order during shipping so I canceled it, ever since than I have just been looking for a different solution. If I mix the silver and the nickel and empty my loop and re fill about every 8-12 months would it still be bad?

Thats W/Cing for ya ;D something might work great for some, but not for others..
To calm your nerves, NOTHING that COULD happen with ether setup, can damage your expensive parts (unless you have aluminum in the system).. you just need to keep an eye on your res to see if any changes occurs. and after 6-12 months, open the system and inspect your GPU or CPU block for build up.. most problems can be cleaned and encourage you to change tactics (silver or nuke or...)
So dont be afraid smile.gif At its worse, you will need another 2 meters of tubing and a few hours of cleaning.

*Edit
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After doing some more research I think I will stick with the silver even though I have nickel. So I am going to use the fesser base along with the kill coil. I have had a account on this forum for a quite a long time but I never posted to much. I will definitely start posting more. I am not to familiar with how this forum works. What is rep?
Plz do smile.gif the more posts the better tongue.gif
The rep works like facebooks "Like" If someone answers your question with something you find helpfull, you should give that person +rep.. Dont overuse it since ppl like "unique" rep over "repeated" rep. (not sure what the difference is.. 2 persons repping for same post or one person repping twice in the same thread..)
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yea.. Im no expert, but that sounds EXACTLY like the nickel problems I have read about.. was from some of the early EK nickel blocks.. but yea, I have no experience on this other that reading.
In your case, get a new block or use PTNuke instead of silver.
Thats W/Cing for ya ;D something might work great for some, but not for others..
To calm your nerves, NOTHING that COULD happen with ether setup, can damage your expensive parts (unless you have aluminum in the system).. you just need to keep an eye on your res to see if any changes occurs. and after 6-12 months, open the system and inspect your GPU or CPU block for build up.. most problems can be cleaned and encourage you to change tactics (silver or nuke or...)
So dont be afraid smile.gif At its worse, you will need another 2 meters of tubing and a few hours of cleaning.

*Edit
Plz do smile.gif the more posts the better tongue.gif
The rep works like facebooks "Like" If someone answers your question with something you find helpfull, you should give that person +rep.. Dont overuse it since ppl like "unique" rep over "repeated" rep. (not sure what the difference is.. 2 persons repping for same post or one person repping twice in the same thread..)

I already use pt nuke and I am not even sure I have any plating issues yet. I haven't opened it up in the 5 or 6 years I have had it, and my temps are fine.
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