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Ok so I'm currently piecing together a build and after a laborious task of just deciding which PSU to get I'm now at the stage where I'm trying decide on a GPU.

I've spent pretty much the past 5 hours researching on different cards, their performance and basing it off my needs and potential for future proof but I still cannot decide what I want

Currently I'm looking at

Gigabyte AMD Radeon R9 280X

HIS H280XQMT3G2M

MSI N770 Lightning

Asus R9270X-DC2T-2GD5

Gigabyte AMD Radeon R9 290

Gigabyte AMD Radeon R9 270X

Or possibly a GTX 760 but haven't really looked into these yet

Basically I intend to OC the CPU to 4ghz so bottleneck shouldn't be an issue and I want GPU that will run the majority of games (don't ask, this is for games I don't yet play but Battlefield 4 will definately be one amongst some new MMO's due to be released in the future) on max/high settings and get me decent FPS (60 is fine with me) all at 1080p as I have no intention of buying a new monitor and am happy with 1080p so don't really see myself needing a higher resolution until my current monitor dies

The pro's for me choosing an AMD are currently bang for buck, most of the cards come with a free copy of BF4 and the chance that AMD's Mantle is actually going to be as awesome as they're making it out to be

The pro's for me choosing an Nvidia are the streaming solution (shadowplay) and the fact the cards generally cooler under load

So what would you guys suggest based on my needs, a max budget of £300 (can just squeeze in that 290) and general performance of the cards I've listed
Edited by Minusorange - 1/15/14 at 2:00pm
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Even though the stock cooler isn't great... I'd go with the 290 over any of those others. It's certainly the most powerful. A stock 290 runs things at 1440p very well, so at 1080p, you should be happy for a good while even on new and upcoming games. I was very impressed with the 290's performance especially considering the price-point... I'm using one right now.
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Even though the stock cooler isn't great... I'd go with the 290 over any of those others. It's certainly the most powerful. A stock 290 runs things at 1440p very well, so at 1080p, you should be happy for a good while even on new and upcoming games. I was very impressed with the 290's performance especially considering the price-point... I'm using one right now.

The heat seriously puts me off though, everywhere I've read people talk about running at 90 degrees which while I appreciate AMD say it is comfortable doing, it is not something I'm comfortable with.

I've been looking at alot of benchmarks mainly for BF4 as that's the game I'll probably be playing the most and a 270x falls just short of my cutoff of 60fps, however that is on ultra settings, which again I'm not fussed on playing. And the 270x's are half the price of the 290's.

Right now I'm looking at either a 280x or 770, I'm edging more towards the 280x just for the extra 1gb Vram and the bang per buck but if I can be convinced to get a 770 (mainly that msi lightning) then I would

I just can't decide right now which card to get and I need to decide so I can pick the best mobo option for whatever I get
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Yeah, ultimately cost for your desired performance will be key.

I will say that I've been using the 290 at stock settings mostly (as I'm either going to waterblock it and add it to my loop or swap it out for the 780 Ti that I also have). At stock settings the card isn't real loud... I've done some over-clocking of the card too, but of course for that I had to increase the fan. The heat really isn't an issue as it's not really dumping it into the case and it performs well. If you can manage bumping the fan speed up a few percent, then that will either shave off a few degrees OR keep the card from throttling as much in prolonged gaming sessions. Alternatively, if you're just concerned about heat, you can lower the temperature target as well, but that would of course make the card throttle sooner (unless you also adjust the fan speed in conjunction). Or ultimately, down the road upgrade to an aftermarket cooler.

I honestly never gave much look into the 270x as I previously had a 7970 overclocked and waterblocked. A 280x is essentially 7970, so I didn't really look there either as I wanted to upgrade. I like to run things at as max of settings as possible, so I probably wouldn't go any lower than the 280x for 1080p... Heck, even with a pretty well overclocked 7970 I couldn't set all games as I wanted to at 1080p... but that's just me. I've since moved to 1440p and a real brute of a card (or CF/SLI) is necessary to pump up the settings.
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Well that's the thing I'm trying to save money based on my needs but I will spend extra money if I can be convinced on something that isn't necessarily what I need but what sounds good.

Just found Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 770 OC 4GB for £289 at Amazon so I'm again torn on what to buy as that will be way better than the 280x


My whole build is currently messed up at the moment, trying to pick the best cpu cooler for price, best ram for price and now best card for price. Only things I'm sure on are the CPU and PSU, still need to decide on motherboard too
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Much like when the 770 was the 680... there are almost no performance difference between the 2gb and 4gb variants. All the benches show they are essentially same performance. I believe it was chocked up to being at fault of the 256bit memory bus. The 280x has a 384bit bus, so it makes better use of its 3gb than the 770(680) can ever try making use of 4gb. Then again at 1080P, you likely wouldn't run out of VRAM anyway even with a 2gb card... Some games may cache more than that, but what it really needs is less. Running a ton of mods in games, like within Skyrim, could make VRAM usage go through the roof at 1080p. Unless you're doing that, it's unlikely to run into a vram limited situation with any of these cards.
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Minus wil you be getting into the whole crypto currencies if you buy AMD cards? Thats one of the things that might pull me towards AMD as well.. and I actually find Nvidia cheaper at the moment due to it...
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The problem for me is I don't want to shoot myself in the foot and make a choice which screws me in a year or 2 time making me have to buy something completely new.

I want one of the AMD cards because they're cheaper, the whole Mantle tech encourages me and they come with a free copy of BF4 which saves me another £25/30

I want one of those Nvidia cards because they perform incredibly well, generally run cooler temps than AMD and I want to use Shadowplay as I intend to stream alot of my gaming on twitch

I'm also thinking ahead to possibly Crossfire or SLI as opposed to switching out for a next gen card, but I don't have any intention for multiple monitors or playing higher than 1080p

I'm not going to bother with the 290's as they're out of my range, if they were cheaper around the price of the 280's then I'd probably be encouraged but for my needs I think around £250 is enough for a card

And of course the amount I spend, I'm already increasing my spend on other parts I'm picking over the original build so the price keeps going up so I honestly am at a loss with which card to pick not to mention the 280's aren't in stock at the cheapest places whereas the Nvidia cards are..

Evil - The whole cryptomining interests me but I don't know if I'll ever get into it. Would much rather a dedicated machine just for that but you're right it's down to that the amd cards are still expensive and out of stock
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id get the 770 msi lightening 4gb . I got the 760 2gb and i wish i got the 770 4gb would be better for bf4, but im happy with my 760 2gb and 144hz 1ms monitor.
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Minus wil you be getting into the whole crypto currencies if you buy AMD cards? Thats one of the things that might pull me towards AMD as well.. and I actually find Nvidia cheaper at the moment due to it...

True. If you're interested in mining, AMD is the way to go.

As to the pricing, I think where he's located, they're not price gouging like they are in some other regions (like the US, heck many shops are still out of stock on them). It really did drive up the price of AMD products substantially, but if his region isn't very much effected by the gouging then maybe he can still get them at or around normal price. (OR NOT, JUST SAW OP RESPONSE)
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XSPC RX360 & EX120 Radiator (x2) Monsoon Series 2 DDC Pump Res Switftech MCP35X Pump Monsoon Hardline Tubing and Fittings 
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Win10 Pro x64 Qnix QX2710LED @ 96 Hz Tesoro Durandal Mechanical Back-lit (MX Brown) EVGA 1000P2 
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Cooler Master HAF-X Cyborg R.A.T. 7 Razer eXactMat Sound Blaster Z SB1500 
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Logitech Z-5300 5.1 Speakers 
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Intel i7-4700MQ SLI GT750M 16GB  1TB & 24GB SSD Cache 
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BD-RE / DVDRW Windows 8.1 1080p Microsoft Sidewinder x5 
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Belkin WaveRest 
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i7-3770K @ 4.8GHz w/ HT ASRock Fatal1ty Z77 Professional Galaxy GTX 780 Ti @ 1250MHz Evga GTX 780 Ti @ 1250MHz 
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16GB Patriot Viper 3 Venom PC-12800 CL9 - Red 2x250GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD @ Raid-0 2x250GB Hitachi P7K500 @ Raid-0 750GB Samsung F1 HD753LJ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
3TB Seagate ST3000DM001 NEC Multi DVD Combo XSPC Raystorm CPU Block XSPC GTX Block & Backplate (x2) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XSPC RX360 & EX120 Radiator (x2) Monsoon Series 2 DDC Pump Res Switftech MCP35X Pump Monsoon Hardline Tubing and Fittings 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win10 Pro x64 Qnix QX2710LED @ 96 Hz Tesoro Durandal Mechanical Back-lit (MX Brown) EVGA 1000P2 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Cooler Master HAF-X Cyborg R.A.T. 7 Razer eXactMat Sound Blaster Z SB1500 
Other
Logitech Z-5300 5.1 Speakers 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel i7-4700MQ SLI GT750M 16GB  1TB & 24GB SSD Cache 
Optical DriveOSMonitorMouse
BD-RE / DVDRW Windows 8.1 1080p Microsoft Sidewinder x5 
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Belkin WaveRest 
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