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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post


I beg to differ a little here. I reviewed both of these coolers in a pretty "real world" build - 3570K on the X60, 4770K on the 14S/ASUS Sabertooth/Fractal Define R4/GTX 760/be quiet! PSU with a very average room temps. I also have used both extensively since.

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/heatsinks/36228-noctua-nh-u14s
http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/liquid/32442-nzxt-kraken

Unlike any other closed loop cooler, the X60 does actually distinguish itself in terms of performance and will outperform high end air....however, and it's a big however, just like all other closed loop coolers it will sound like a vacuum cleaner to do it. With the noise levels brought down to bearable, it will perform about on par with the NH-U14S.

The X60 has the capabilities to bring that temp down around 10 degrees, but you won't want to be in the same room with it while it is doing it. The NH-U14S will outperform the 212 by a good stretch, and will also be significantly quieter. So, you could spring for the X60, but the actual perform gains you can live with in the same room won't be greater than those the 14S provides.
Nice bit of review work. thumb.gif

Would be nice if you had monitored air temp going into coolers. wink.gif

FYI
Vortez tested H100 and Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme in stock Corsair 500R, i7-3930K @ 4.5GHz on GIGABYTE X79-UP4 w/ 8GB Corsair Vengeance LP 1600MHz CL9, Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 1GB, NZXT Hale90 650W.
Corsair H100i . = . 40.3c
Corsair H100 . = . 46.6c
SA SB-E Extreme = 48.1c
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/noctua_nh_u14s_review,9.html

Where as PC-Cooling.tv German video review of H100 against Silver Arrow SB-E & SA SB-E Extreme (with the TY-143 2500rpm fans.

SA SB-E and H100 were 1c different but H100 is 17dBA louder.. 2.5 times as loud.
SA SB-E Extreme is 7c cooler and 1dBA louder. Human ears need 3-4dBA change to hear a difference in loudness. Listening to the video it seems the H100 is much louder than TY-143 fans on Silver Arrow SB-E.

i7 3820 @4.75GHz
Temperature is delta.

H100 . . . . . . . . . 41c2500rpm . . . . . . . . . 55dBA 2x fans (stock)
SA SB-E . . . . . . . 42c1100rpm & 1300rpm. . 38dBA TY-150 & TY-141 (stock)
SA SB-E Extreme. . 34c2500rpm . . . . . . . . . 56dBA 2x TY-143 (stock)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6xrsuPwDbo
jump in to 3:40 for results

Vortex has H100 1.5c cooler the SA SB-E Extreme compared to CL-Cooling showing SA SB-E Extreme 7c cooler than H100.
Edited by doyll - 1/15/14 at 1:44pm
post #12 of 32
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

I see those reviews biased to Noctua. How it would outperform a silverstone heligon he01?plus the ph tc14pe beating the heligon he01 by 4/5°c when the difference is 1/2c or nothing(error %)
As a quick guess it's running the HE01 on low speed fan setting instead of high speed fan setting. wink.gif
post #13 of 32
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I see those reviews biased to Noctua. How it would outperform a silverstone heligon he01?plus the ph tc14pe beating the heligon he01 by 4/5°c when the difference is 1/2c or nothing(error %)

I would guess something unfortunate happened with the mounting on the CPU. The CPU isn't totally flat and the base of the coolers are usually slightly convex, and the combination maybe just didn't work out on the HE01 compared to the other coolers.

Looking through the specifications, the HE01 should be better on paper. It seems to have similar heat-pipes (same width and number), is probably manufactured just as good, and uses more metal overall, is larger. Its fan seems to be a monster, 38mm thick instead of 25mm, and runs up to 2000 RPM instead of 1500 RPM on the NH-U14S. I'd assume the HE01 fan should still be able to compete if running at its 1200 RPM low speed setting because of its thickness.
post #14 of 32
I swear some of the claims I read make me just want to pull my hair out. I went from my EVO to a Swiftech H220, one of the best AIO's on the market. I saw 4-5 degrees better MAXIMUM. Since the best Noctua is better than my EVO, going from one of those would be even less. It does NO GOOD, to get a different cooler if you are still pumping warm air into your case PERIOD. The EVO is a capable cooler, lowering temps to safe levels can be done other ways like I already stated. Even then, your 75-80 load temps are not even close to killing your CPU, too much voltage kills CPU's not heat. If the thing gets too hot it will just shut down to save its self.
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post #15 of 32
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i7 3820 @4.75GHz
Temperature is delta.

H100 . . . . . . . . . 41c2500rpm . . . . . . . . . 55dBA 2x fans (stock)
SA SB-E . . . . . . . 42c1100rpm & 1300rpm. . 38dBA TY-150 & TY-141 (stock)
SA SB-E Extreme. . 34c2500rpm . . . . . . . . . 56dBA 2x TY-143 (stock)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6xrsuPwDbo
jump in to 3:40 for results

Vortex has H100 1.5c cooler the SA SB-E Extreme compared to CL-Cooling showing SA SB-E Extreme 7c cooler than H100.

Again that's a marketing video there from PC-Cooling.

I can tell you some of my own results i have, i didnt test the X60 though, but you get a rough idea. The test was done on an open testbed btw.

Stock fans @12V (temp difference):
Seidon 240: 36,8
Kraken X40: 41,0
U14S: 41,1


Noctua Reference fans:
Seidon 240 (4xF12): 37,4
Seidon 240 (2xF12): 38,6
U14S: (2xA14): 40,6
Kraken X40 (2xA14): 41,1
U14S: (1xA14): 43,1
Kraken X40 (1xA14): 43,4

*A14 was used at ~1270rpm wich is the same rpm that roughly generates the same noise as the F12 at 1500rpm)

so i got similar results, with the X40 being roughly on par with high end air coolers, maybe slightly worse and the dual rad versions being a few degrees better.
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About the HE01. In the real world with an AMD 8350 it does far far better than the puny 212. Here is a quickie run I did 2 days ago with ambient about 22C. Note the vcore and temps.
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post #17 of 32
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I see those reviews biased to Noctua. How it would outperform a silverstone heligon he01?plus the ph tc14pe beating the heligon he01 by 4/5°c when the difference is 1/2c or nothing(error %)
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I would guess something unfortunate happened with the mounting on the CPU. The CPU isn't totally flat and the base of the coolers are usually slightly convex, and the combination maybe just didn't work out on the HE01 compared to the other coolers.

Looking through the specifications, the HE01 should be better on paper. It seems to have similar heat-pipes (same width and number), is probably manufactured just as good, and uses more metal overall, is larger. Its fan seems to be a monster, 38mm thick instead of 25mm, and runs up to 2000 RPM instead of 1500 RPM on the NH-U14S. I'd assume the HE01 fan should still be able to compete if running at its 1200 RPM low speed setting because of its thickness.

I got much better results with the HE01 on larger physical CPUs (AMD and LGA2011). On the LGA115X, it seemed to falter a bit.
post #18 of 32
NH-U14S uses a different wick so that could account for temperature improvements

I'm not sure how well the HE01 is soldered, the Prolimatech Basic 81 shows how big a difference it makes (Basic 81 is Megahalems cheapened by using press fit: up to 10 degrees Celsius at low RPMs but 4-6°C at higher 1000+ RPM
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It seems I'll be going for the U14S regardless of the Kraken's potential because of noise concerns. The noise output of my 212 EVO is the loudest part of my system and the extra cooling potential the U14S will bring is only going to be an added bonus.

P.S. For those talking about fixing case temps, removing the side and top panels nets me a 2 degree drop. I've only got 1 more fan header on my board which is the 2nd CPU header. I may in future look for better case fans and maybe even a controller but for the time being I'll be leaving it as is. CPU voltage and VID are not high at all, neither break 1.17V. It's possible I didn't install the EVO correctly but with the noise it's producing I've decided to upgrade regardless of whether the temps can be lowered by reseating it.

Thanks all for your help
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Good choice. The X60 is a bit better. But i would always go for the high end air cooling if you dont need the last two or three degrees temp drop
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