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Well I just ran into some major problems with my new rig. Pumps stopped and the 7970 and all 4 cores of the 4770k were at 100C, and a 6970 reached 91.5C. At least one of the 6970s stayed a nice 74C. But considering these GPUs never reached 55c in their life AFAIK this is horrible.

My rig is temporarily put together because I am waiting on my 400mm radiator to be exchanged(different story). So I have all the cables hanging out the back and my panels off. Hell I dont even have all my rad fans hooked up because they currently are not needed. I was testing some new OCs on my rig and making sure it was BOINC stable. My niece got here and wanted to play a game. Since she's 3, I put on Valley benchmark and let her run around for a while, she loves it. While she was playing I put on a side panel and moved the rig back 2 or 3 inches so she wouldnt put a foot into a fan or mess something up. After about 10-15 she got bored and we went downstairs. Before I did I turned BOINC back on, Milkyway all 3 gpus and LHC on all remaining threads.

3 hours later.

I came back into the room I seen I had a BSOD and rebooted. After rebooting a couple times(been having a weird issue where the BOIS doesnt recognize my SSDs) I get into windows and pull up some web pages. Then I noticed my rig was making a different noise that I didnt recognize. I looked at my MSI AB sensors tab and noticed my 7970 melting at 100c and the others at high temps too. I thought MSI was getting a bad reading from the BSOD so I pulled up GPUZ and it said the same. So I start freaking out, shut down BOINC, and pull of the side panel and put my hand on the block on the 7970 was literally BURNING hot. I have very rough and calloused hands, and am accustomed to touching hot metals(my dad is a welder and fabricator and I help him and work construction). And when I was feeling around, the copper on the Heatkiller block was so hot I couldnt touch it. Even the backplate was hot. Then I check my CPU temps and they were pegged at 100C too. I was like ***!?!?! Then it came to me that my pumps, yes both pumps, were not running. When I pushed the computer back the two inches, the cable powering them directly from the PSU pulled out and disconnected both pumps.

I plugged both pumps back in and like a second later I feel a wave of heat come from my temporary 240 radiator and everything instantly cools down. But now I need to survey the damage. My heart is sunken right now because I was feeling so happy and proud of this rig. I have yet to shut it down since this. So obviously is wasnt the end. But I cant help to think about what it did to my brand spanking new CPU/MOBO and my baby, the 7970 with heatkiller block. According to my Milkyway WU results, my rig has a 20 minute gap(I assume was when my niece was playing), then ran for ~10 minutes before it stops reporting work for 3 hours. Which is when I rebooted and it started reporting tasks again.

Questions guys,
1. If your rig BSODs while it was under load, does it stay under load the whole time while it is BSODing??
2. How much damage do you think I did??
3. Any good way to find out if anything is damaged other than stress testing??



PS: and no I wouldnt call this a watercooling horror story, but an half-assed put together because of being to impatient horror story tongue.gif

proof.gif you say??



I wished I would of remember to check my Aquasuite software in time. I could of seen how hot the water was coming out of my GPUS. I have a water temp sensor there. But by time I checked it, it was on the down fall at 32C. Anyway to check to see what the max was other than via the graph I made??
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1. It shouldn't have stayed under load if it crashed, a BSOD stops execution, and would stop feeding instructions to the GPU's so it all would have stopped processing really quickly.

2. If it's all still working, I doubt you've did damage luckily. Only thing I will say, is you would probably been better letting it cool naturally powered off, rather than plug in the pumps, as its the change in temp that do damage, the bigger the change, the more thermal stress. A slow cooldown may have been better.

3. TBH, I think stress testing is about the best you can do. I have a test disk i use called PC check, but it doesn't test all the instructions of modern processors, or GPU's for that matter. maybe someone more knowledgeable than me knows some good testing tools for GPUs.

Anyway, good luck with the rest of your build, and i hope you don't have any more problems. smile.gif

EDIT : this may be of interest - https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=19792
Edited by latelesley - 1/15/14 at 3:49pm
post #3 of 19
BSOD is a stop error, try using Bluescreenview once you have everything running

What likely happened is you have it setup to reboot on BSOD. There's no way BOINC would be running otherwise I believe.

edit: as to what you can do to test it, just run something light load and see if it BSODs or artifacts , then run a regular load like Unigine and BOINC. It shouldn't be an issue because the CPU and GPU both temperature throttle (you can see this happen on stock cooler)
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i think it will be ok, i've had fans die and my systems run overheating for a period of time. most devices including video cards and cpus have built in throttling. So if they get too hot then the devices themselves will restrict its power output to try to reduce temps. i have yet to kill an intel cpu no matter how hard i push them. i think you are safe. Run everything at stock clocks for a while (days) and see if you have any issues, if not then i'd slowy work it back up to whatever clock you had it running at before. good luck man.
    
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My HD 7950 reaches 91 degrees sometimes, hence the reason I want it water-cooled !

Feel your pain, but unless you start getting computation errors at a slower clock rate, it will have survived.

IMHO

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Thanks for the advice guys and gals. Good to hear that a BSOD is a work stop execution. I was hoping it couldnt crash and run a constant loop. But I still cant believe that block got that hot so quick. I wish I had my infared thermometer handy when it happened.

And Dark, it is really reassuring that you never lost an Intel CPU. I know you have tortured your fair share lol.

Running fine at stock clocks. But I never got a chance to run an OC on this CPU before this incident. I was in the BIOS reading up on what does what and tweaking settings when my niece walked in. I just discarded and booted. Yesterday I tried my first run at getting an OC, and it wasnt very promising. I did some reading but this Haswell CPU OCing is a different beast than my Lynnfield CPU, which I managed to get a+2Ghz OC of 4.8Ghz. I couldnt get this CPU to boot in 4.4Ghz. Even in its preset 4.4 OC. I know the preset OCs arent the way to go, but I figured it would at least boot. GPUs seem to be running fine at their normal OCs thumb.gif

Anyone up for helping me OC this beast of a CPU??

Here is a screeny I just took. Just fired the beasts back up.

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Hey while Im here. Can someone tell me how to make a config file so my 6970s run just Collatz, while leaving my 7970 open to other projects?? I remember reading how to do it somewhere but I cant remember or find the thread telling how to do it.
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Originally Posted by goodtobeking View Post

Hey while Im here. Can someone tell me how to make a config file so my 6970s run just Collatz, while leaving my 7970 open to other projects?? I remember reading how to do it somewhere but I cant remember or find the thread telling how to do it.
Code:
<cc_config>
  <options>
   <exclude_gpu>
    <url>http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/</url>
    <device_num>proper_device_num</device_num>
   </exclude_gpu>
  </options>
</cc_config>

Insert the device number of your 7970, and it won't run collatz, leaving it open for whatever other projects you want to run on it. However, you will also have to add an exclude section for each of the other devices excluding them from what you are running on the 7970.

If I'm wrong here, someone speak up...? redface.gif
Edited by dougb62 - 1/18/14 at 7:11pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dougb62 View Post

Code:
<cc_config>
  <options>
   <exclude_gpu>
    <url>http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/</url>
    <device_num>proper_device_num</device_num>
   </exclude_gpu>
  </options>
</cc_config>

Insert the device number of your 7970, and it won't run collatz, leaving it open for whatever other projects you want to run on it. However, you will also have to add an exclude section for each of the other devices excluding them from what you are running on the 7970.

If I'm wrong here, someone speak up...? redface.gif

I actually just figured out how to do it right before I read your post. But it didnt work and I seen what I did wrong on mine from looking at yours. Its working now, thanks for that!! I have GPU 2 set to not crunch Collatz, odd since its the first slot on my MOBO.

So what your saying is that I should exclude GPUs 0 and 1, the 6970s, from for say MW. Otherwise when I turn on the 7970 to crunch that, the 6970s will crunch them as well. Correct?? If so makes sense.

To do that I would just need to add
Code:
<exclude_gpu>
    <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
    <device_num>0</device_num>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
    <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
    <device_num>1</device_num>
   </exclude_gpu>

Or could I go
Code:
<exclude_gpu>
    <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
    <device_num>0</device_num>
    <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
    <device_num>1</device_num>
    <url>http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/</url>
    <device_num>2</device_num>
   </exclude_gpu>

EDIT: the second method works fine. Got my config file all worked out and BOINC is crunching smoothly. Less than a half a minute on MW with the 7970 thumb.gif

EDIT2: got MW crunching 2 WUs at once. Now its loaded at 99% all the time. I love tweaking this beast when things go right lol. Thanks for your help guys, and gals. Last thing I need to do it to get a good OC on this CPU. But I am trying to convince myself to return it and get an i7 4830k setup.

So thats 5 Cosmology, 2 MW, and 2 Collatz all running at the same time. GPUs at a steady 98-99% and CPU at ~90%

EDIT3: Ok so the above mentioned didnt work perfectly. a 6970 started crunching 2 MW WUs like the exclude GPU didnt take. So I redid it like so and its working great.
Code:
<cc_config>
 <options>
   <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
  <exclude_gpu>
   <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
   <device_num>0</device_num>
  </exclude_gpu>
  <exclude_gpu>
   <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
   <device_num>1</device_num>
  </exclude_gpu>
  <exclude_gpu>
   <url>http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/</url>
   <device_num>2</device_num>
  </exclude_gpu>
 </options>
</cc_config>

Edited by goodtobeking - 1/18/14 at 9:51pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goodtobeking View Post

I actually just figured out how to do it right before I read your post. But it didnt work and I seen what I did wrong on mine from looking at yours. Its working now, thanks for that!! I have GPU 2 set to not crunch Collatz, odd since its the first slot on my MOBO.

So what your saying is that I should exclude GPUs 0 and 1, the 6970s, from for say MW. Otherwise when I turn on the 7970 to crunch that, the 6970s will crunch them as well. Correct?? If so makes sense.
A lot of code (Click to show)
To do that I would just need to add
Code:
<exclude_gpu>
    <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
    <device_num>0</device_num>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
    <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
    <device_num>1</device_num>
   </exclude_gpu>

Or could I go
Code:
<exclude_gpu>
    <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
    <device_num>0</device_num>
    <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
    <device_num>1</device_num>
    <url>http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/</url>
    <device_num>2</device_num>
   </exclude_gpu>

EDIT: the second method works fine. Got my config file all worked out and BOINC is crunching smoothly. Less than a half a minute on MW with the 7970 thumb.gif

EDIT2: got MW crunching 2 WUs at once. Now its loaded at 99% all the time. I love tweaking this beast when things go right lol. Thanks for your help guys, and gals. Last thing I need to do it to get a good OC on this CPU. But I am trying to convince myself to return it and get an i7 4830k setup.

So thats 5 Cosmology, 2 MW, and 2 Collatz all running at the same time. GPUs at a steady 98-99% and CPU at ~90%

EDIT3: Ok so the above mentioned didnt work perfectly. a 6970 started crunching 2 MW WUs like the exclude GPU didnt take. So I redid it like so and its working great.
More code (Click to show)
Code:
<cc_config>
 <options>
   <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
  <exclude_gpu>
   <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
   <device_num>0</device_num>
  </exclude_gpu>
  <exclude_gpu>
   <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
   <device_num>1</device_num>
  </exclude_gpu>
  <exclude_gpu>
   <url>http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/</url>
   <device_num>2</device_num>
  </exclude_gpu>
 </options>
</cc_config>


Wow - I was off gaming a bit. Sorry I wasn't paying attention to be of some assistance. I saw that you were offline, and I didn't expect you to be back on tonight.

Glad to hear you got it working though!! thumb.gif I wasn't quite sure I had it exactly right. redface.gif
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