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Here I am testing various platform overclocks and how well they scale while using one of my favorite games, Far Cry 2. It has a nice suite of built-in benchmarks, and today I'll be using the busy "Action Scene" to see how well CPU, GPU, and RAM overclocks can affect performance.

Platform:

Athlon II x4 760K
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2x4GB G.Skill RipjawsX DDR3-2133CL10
Radeon HD 7850 2GB
Monitor 60Hz 1080p Vsynch OFF
All in game detail quality settings set to maximum with 8x AA
Each test looped 3 times with the average recorded.

CPU-Z
GPU-Z
ASUS Voltage Tweak
Exact frequencies may vary slightly due to various bugs.

First let's see a run with all stock settings:

CPU at default/auto BIOS settings (3.8GHz stock with up to 4.0GHz Turbo enabled)
RAM at JEDEC settings (DDR3-1600CL11)
GPU at AMD stock settings (860MHz Core/1200MHz VRAM)



Results:
Average FPS: 38.77
Minimum FPS: 32.88
Maximum FPS: 49.89

Next I apply only a GPU overclock and test again:
CPU at default/auto BIOS settings (3.8GHz stock with up to 4.0GHz Turbo enabled)
RAM at JEDEC settings (DDR3-1600CL11)
GPU at 1200MHz Core 1450MHz VRAM (~40%OC)



Results:
Average FPS: 38.45
Minimum FPS: 31.78
Maximum FPS: 48.78

Next I apply only a CPU overclock and test again:
CPU at 4500 MHz (~18%OC)
RAM at JEDEC settings (DDR3-1600CL11)
GPU at AMD stock settings (860MHz Core/1200MHz VRAM)



Results:
Average FPS: 42.38
Minimum FPS: 36.32
Maximum FPS: 54.61

Next I apply both a CPU and GPU overclock, but no system memory overclock:
CPU at 4500 MHz (~18% OC)
RAM at JEDEC settings (DDR3-1600CL11)
GPU at 1200MHz (~40%OC) Core 1450MHz VRAM



Results:
Average FPS: 42.28
Minimum FPS: 35.93
Maximum FPS: 53.89

For the final test, I apply a full platform overclock:
CPU at 4500 MHz
RAM at DDR3-2400CL10 (~50%OC) with NB at 2600MHz (~44%OC)
GPU at 1200MHz (~40%OC) Core 1450MHz



Results:
Average FPS: 49.79
Minimum FPS: 41.00
Maximum FPS: 62.91

Analysis: Despite a few bugs, it is obvious that the GPU was totally bottlenecked by CPU and RAM, as adjusting GPU frequency resulted in no gains, while CPU and RAM overclocking brought substantial gains. Contrary to popular opinion, facts here indicate that overclocking RAM and memory controller can alleviate substantial bottleneck on the FM2 platform, much more than just overclocking CPU and/or GPU. Of course, this testing is a specific benchmark in a specific game, so your mileage may vary.
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Rep+ for good testing methodology. However...

If anything, this just shows that the game is so old that it's largely CPU bound, which means it's not suitable for testing a modern GPU.

With stock settings on the CPU and GPU your FPS was actually MORE than with the CPU at stock and the 7850 overclocked. After this, you applied ONLY a CPU overclock and your FPS went up by a decent margin. This proves that the game is CPU bound.

Test with Far Cry 3 instead if you can.
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Rep+ for good testing methodology. However...

If anything, this just shows that the game is so old that it's largely CPU bound, which means it's not suitable for testing a modern GPU.

With stock settings on the CPU and GPU your FPS was actually MORE than with the CPU at stock and the 7850 overclocked. After this, you applied ONLY a CPU overclock and your FPS went up by a decent margin. This proves that the game is CPU bound.

Test with Far Cry 3 instead if you can.

Sure. Add it to my Steam account smile.gif
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lol, yeah...

I don't even know if it has any built in benchmarks.

Really, rerunning these tests with whatever modern games you have will probably give you a better idea of performance scaling with various overclocks. Modern games aren't really CPU bound, they're GPU bound, and you should see more of an increase in performance from overclocking the GPU than the CPU. CPU generally helps with things like minimum frames, but your average and maximum framerate will be increased by overclocking the GPU.

Not trying to be a downer. I just think that game is too old to be testing modern hardware with.
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lol, yeah...

I don't even know if it has any built in benchmarks.

Really, rerunning these tests with whatever modern games you have will probably give you a better idea of performance scaling with various overclocks. Modern games aren't really CPU bound, they're GPU bound, and you should see more of an increase in performance from overclocking the GPU than the CPU. CPU generally helps with things like minimum frames, but your average and maximum framerate will be increased by overclocking the GPU.

Not trying to be a downer. I just think that game is too old to be testing modern hardware with.

I''m pretty out of the loop as far as new games. My wife plays Neverwinter, which just came out this past year. That game looks ok, it's DX11. She can max it with her GTX 460 and runs smooth most of the time. But when she gets into town near a few dozen NPCs and other players, things start to lag really bad from CPU/RAM bottleneck. I guess that's just the way it is with MMORPGs.

I have used the Unigine and 3dmark stuff. Those are very modern and gpu demanding, but yet again I gained a nice minimum FPS boost from Memory tuning. I think you already seen these in my build log smile.gif

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The most demanding new games are definitely Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3. The Metro series comes close though.

Some others that are popular are Battlefield 4, Borderlands 2, Sleeping Dogs (this one is good), Assassin's Creed 4, Bioshock Infinite, Metro 2033, Metro Last Light, Civilization V, The Witcher 2, Tomb Raider, and many others. You usually see review sites include most of those games in their tests now.

Whenever I want to see what people are playing and how it looks I go here: http://www.overclock.net/forum/newestpost/412389

I didn't know there was a new Neverwinter Nights game. I might have to check that out, if it's even the same thing. I played Neverwinter Nights 2 and it was just okay graphically, but the D&D ruleset made the gameplay really good.

Valley run from earlier:



Sleeping Dogs in particular might work well for you. It's basically GTA but in Hong Kong and you don't use guns, you use Kung Fu. It also has a demanding built-in benchmark.
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An advice try newer games like crysis ,crysis2,metro 2033,alien vs predator 3,BF3 and use 1280x720 or similar and 1920x1080 check the gpu usage with gpuz or msi afterburner.or use a program that says the gpu usage in game(benchmark)
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