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Originally Posted by daviejams View Post

Come on , games are far better now than they ever have been.
I'll spare everyone the diatribe, but I don't agree. With that said, I don't think there's any need to continue down this road.
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I have once again completely deinstaliert the 14.2 and newly instaled but I get the crossfire not to run in thief.
crossfire runs but is not optimized at all...on my rig min fps w/ single GPU is greater 5 fps than min w/ crossfire. Avg crossfire is just 1 fps more than single gpu
the max fps is enough... but definitely no good for the global experience
there's a clear issue about latency... and probably the cards with which they made some tests (maybe new cards only...same old story) wink.gif
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I'll spare everyone the diatribe, but I don't agree. With that said, I don't think there's any need to continue down this road.

I agree with this.

The area where games were golden were the N64~PS2 era. the "lets release games that are bugged cause we can patch later" and "lets beta everything and chop up the game for DLC crap to shove down peoples throats later on after they already paid 60$" crap has gotten old. I miss when games were sold in beautiful boxes as full products with booklettes and didnt need updates and patches and were less driven by money and more for fun and for gaming entertainment.
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Games are cheaper now ...what is $60 in real money ? £30 or something like that. Paid half of that for Thief ..

Anyway I think it's a good game , you can turn off all of the modern aids like quest arrows if you wanted something closer to the original

You can't go and do everything like those old games but I don't think they claimed this was open world or anything like that anyway

Got onto chapter five last night. Six hours in opened the big safe. Took me a good half hour to work out the puzzle at the end of the chapter
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I agree with this.

The area where games were golden were the N64~PS2 era. the "lets release games that are bugged cause we can patch later" and "lets beta everything and chop up the game for DLC crap to shove down peoples throats later on after they already paid 60$" crap has gotten old. I miss when games were sold in beautiful boxes as full products with booklettes and didnt need updates and patches and were less driven by money and more for fun and for gaming entertainment.

Well said. I agree.
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Ran some benchmarks and various clocks.

2560x1440, No FXAA or SSAA, everything else maxxed.

CPU at 4.6GHz/GPU at stock 800MHz/1.GHz
Min 29.3
Max 58.3
Avg 4.5

CPU at 4.6GHz/GPU at 1Ghz/1.2GHz
Min 31.5
Max 61.6
Avg 46.0

CPU at 4.6GHz/GPU at 1.2GHz/1.2GHz
Min 32.7
Max 32.5
Avg 46.7

CPU at 4.6GHz/GPU at 1GHz/1.5Ghz
Min 32.4
Max 61.9
Avg 47.5

CPU at 4.8GHz/GPU at 1GHz/1.5Ghz
Min 32.7
Max 61.3
Avg 48.1

CPU at 5Ghz/GPU at 1Ghz/1.5GHz
Min 35.7
Max 62.5
Avg 48.5
post #277 of 406
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Originally Posted by daviejams View Post

Nonsense , I've been playing video games for 35 years , the Thief games were good at the time but they have aged badly (like most old games)

You seem upset , nobody wants to spend 100's of hours creeping behind a guard anymore , the gaming world has moved on from the late 90s. I am glad about that and you should be too

Nonsense. How did Thief Gold and Thief 2 age badly aside from the obvious graphics, UI, and animations? The climbing could be a bit smoother yeah, though it's much better than Thief's contextual "you can only climb at a few scripted areas" garbage.

Give some examples of how they have aged poorly. Their level design is far more open and creative than the new one, as well as every other stealth game that's not called Dishonored. They had more gameplay versatility and features than most others. Doors in the originals would accurately block out noise, something only a handful of other games do. AI is not any worse than modern games. Name some other games in which different terrain surfaces make a different amount of noise, like in the classic Thief games. How about the ability to use rope arrows on any wooden or soft surface, giving you so much freedom of movement? And then there's the lockpicking, all the tools they offer.

Thief Gold and Thief II are more advanced than 99% of the stealth games today, including the new Thief. They were so ahead of their time that it's unbelievable. It just seems that you don't like stealth games.

Your second line goes to show that you don't even understand the new Thief. You can't see what's right in your face. The new one has as much "creeping behind guards" as the old ones, maybe more since in the classics you had more ways to get around guards. The one thing Thief does right is its stealth emphasis which is as strong as in the classics.

I do disagree with the common notion that "every classic is better than every modern counterpart". It's a mixed bag. But this thread is about Thief, the new one is just a lesser version of the old ones. They took out features, scaled down the level design, and made the levels far more straightforward and simple so that it appeals to everyone aged 8-80, just like most modern games. It takes away and adds nothing back, unless you have some examples you'd like to share.
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I agree with this.

The area where games were golden were the N64~PS2 era. the "lets release games that are bugged cause we can patch later" and "lets beta everything and chop up the game for DLC crap to shove down peoples throats later on after they already paid 60$" crap has gotten old. I miss when games were sold in beautiful boxes as full products with booklettes and didnt need updates and patches and were less driven by money and more for fun and for gaming entertainment.

Indeed, some of the many things wrong with the industry today.
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I have to agree with Bored...the dumbing down is obvious and to gamers as old as us....totally unsolicited. I just expect nothing but that these days....can still manage to enjoy Thief as long as I don't start comparing it to older games in the series. Even DX HR falls a bit short when compared to its original. Graphics really can't rescue a game...ever.
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I have to agree with Bored...the dumbing down is obvious and to gamers as old as us....totally unsolicited. I just expect nothing but that these days....can still manage to enjoy Thief as long as I don't start comparing it to older games in the series. Even DX HR falls a bit short when compared to its original. Graphics really can't rescue a game...ever.

I have too agree with this mostly the original thief games Graphics maybe not the best at this point in time but back when it was first released it was amazing i remember how it use to crush my old systems I can't really say that about this new thief game where as the Graphics look like bioshock which is alright i guess but not top of the line or demanding like the first game in the series smile.gif
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There is no MSAA..

ssaa then
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By the way, if the graphics of the first two Thief games bother anyone:

http://www.moddb.com/mods/thief-gold-hd-texture-mod

6bpVM.jpg

It works on Thief 2 as well.
 
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