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:thumb:Yeah I cant seem to figure out whats taking out all the memory. Google Chrome just seems to SAP all my memory up


Can someone help with my settings / what my ram should be this is driving me nuts.
Edited by dpoverlord - 3/4/14 at 1:00am
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Try to hide some of your post. It's cluttered. Your 4.4Ghz score is looking about right. I'm going to overclock my CPU to X5660 @ 4.4Ghz w/1600Mhz just to compare really quick.

Also what do you mean what should your RAM be? 1600Mhz and above with tight timings that are stable will be your best bet. Increase your Uncore Frequency as you overclock your RAM.
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Bi-Directional PROCHOT.....................:Enabled
QPI Clock Ratio............................: X36
QPI Link Speed........................(GHz): 6.91GHZ
Uncore Clock Ratio.........................:X13
Uncore Frequency......................(MHz): 2496Mhz

13x would be a strange choice for an i7. 13X is for Slow mode isn't it? That's for getting bclk, not performance, AFAIK. Is there a reason for using 13x?
Quote:
Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
Uncore Frequency .......................... (Always 2x memory Multi or 2x +1)
Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]

So for 36X QPI i allus used 17x or 18x for uncore.... and x8 for memory. Would that put your ram beyond limits or?

PC3 10700. 1333MHz - well, faster ram would improve benchmarks..

Edit: Ah, I see I did use it on my 950 when I had 1333 ram....6x

I upgraded after that Corsair GT 2000MHz in it ATM, though it's sort of a spare rig now.

This is LSDmeASAP's template from back then:
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Advanced CPU Features:
CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled]
C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled] << Disabled if you do not use Vmware or Virtual PC Programs
Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]


Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
Uncore Frequency .......................... (Always 2x memory Multi or 2x +1)
Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]


Standard Clock Control:
Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................
PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]

C.I.A.2 [Disabled]

Advanced Clock Control:
CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]


Advanced DRAM Features:
Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [AUTO]
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Manual]

Channel A + B + C

Channel A Timing Settings:
##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
CAS Latency Time ......................
tRCD .......................................
tRP .........................................
tRAS .......................................

Below values may be left in Auto if you like, generally this is fine. For those users who DO Set advanced timings manually, please see some of my thoughts and findings about these settings and rules here
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##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
tRC ........................................ (Should be = tRAS + tRP or above for stability)
tRRD .......................................
tWTR ...................................... (Must be Write to Read Delay/Same Rank - (tWL + 4)
tWR ........................................
tWTP ....................................... (tWTP Must = tWR + tWL + 4)
tWL ........................................ (tWL Must be CAS Latency -1)
tRFC .......................................
tRTP .......................................
tFAW ......................................
Command Rate (CMD) ................

##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
Round Trip Latency ...................

B2B CAS Delay ..........................


Advanced Voltage Control:

CPU
Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled]
CPU Vcore ...............................
QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............
CPU PLL 1.800v .......................

MCH/ICH
PCIE 1.500v ...........................
QPI PLL 1.100v .......................
IOH Core 1.100v .....................
ICH I/O 1.500v .......................
ICH Core 1.1v ........................

DRAM
DRAM Voltage 1.500v ..............
DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]

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There is no Uncore Clock Ratio setting on my board so I can't speak about that. I only have Uncore Frequency option. I do have ways to get to those settings I suppose. 1600Mhz x2 [uncore 3200Mhz] will be sufficient for that speed, but I think he'll probably run the DRAM right below 1600Mhz. x8 will probably be the Memory and x16 Uncore.

Finally ran Cinebench R11.5 @ 4.4Ghz with DDR3-1536Mhz.

11.43 pts

That's only a 2.3% difference from your score dpoverlord. I told you that your 4.4Ghz score sounded about right. 4.4Ghz will give you all the speed you'll really need for gaming and programs that rely on the CPU.
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Try to hide some of your post. It's cluttered. Your 4.4Ghz score is looking about right. I'm going to overclock my CPU to X5660 @ 4.4Ghz w/1600Mhz just to compare really quick.

Also what do you mean what should your RAM be? 1600Mhz and above with tight timings that are stable will be your best bet. Increase your Uncore Frequency as you overclock your RAM.
Tried clearing it up.Ram has always been my weak point with this board, if you might be able to guide me the correct way of fixing it, would be great. I was always under the impression that clock speed trumps ram speed since the increase in performance from faster ram is 1-4%

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Bi-Directional PROCHOT.....................:Enabled
QPI Clock Ratio............................: X36
QPI Link Speed........................(GHz): 6.91GHZ
Uncore Clock Ratio.........................:X13
Uncore Frequency......................(MHz): 2496Mhz
13x would be a strange choice for an i7. 13X is for Slow mode isn't it? That's for getting bclk, not performance, AFAIK. Is there a reason for using 13x?

I dont remember the exact reason why we went with 13 its in the x58 forum somewhere will look it up in the morning I think it was to get the high BCLK clock. Should my QPI of X36 stay there way as well? Or should I just change Uncore to x18
Quote:
Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
Uncore Frequency .......................... (Always 2x memory Multi or 2x +1)
Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]

So for 36X QPI i allus used 17x or 18x for uncore.... and x8 for memory. Would that put your ram beyond limits or?

PC3 10700. 1333MHz - well, faster ram would improve benchmarks..

Edit: Ah, I see I did use it on my 950 when I had 1333 ram....6x
My ram is G Skill
DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Timing 9-9-9-24
Cas Latency 9
Voltage 1.5V – 1.6V

I am not sure I understand what to put for my mom timings from above. Think you could give me some guidance?

Does this change anything
.
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That's only a 2.3% difference from your score dpoverlord. I told you that your 4.4Ghz score sounded about right. 4.4Ghz will give you all the speed you'll really need for gaming and programs that rely on the CPU.

Let's tweak this first since right now my i7 930 at 4ghz performs better in games, so for me I don't see the benefit of this yet as its not an upgrade.


Edit alcan changed the settings to above and it won't boot. Long fast multiple beeps
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Tried clearing it up.Ram has always been my weak point with this board, if you might be able to guide me the correct way of fixing it, would be great. I was always under the impression that clock speed trumps ram speed since the increase in performance from faster ram is 1-4%


It's no problem man. These 2000Mhz RAM modules are simply giving me a headache. I'll be updating info on those very soon. Tighter RAM timings makes a big difference regardless of the clock speed. My L5639@4.0Ghz was pulling 10.22 pts. After I tightened my RAM and ran test to make sure everything was stable, I scored 10.37 pts. Maybe minor to some people, but it made my score much better. Clock speed does matter as well, but a lot of top scores come from the correct timings. No matter if the timings are loose or tight. It depends on the CPU, platform, RAM and settings. In your case getting your RAM frequency right, then tightening the speeds will matter the most on the X58. Of course once you get comfortable with your OC CPU speed to make sure everything is stable.


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I dont remember the exact reason why we went with 13 its in the x58 forum somewhere will look it up in the morning I think it was to get the high BCLK clock. Should my QPI of X36 stay there way as well? Or should I just change Uncore to x18
Let's tweak this first since right now my i7 930 at 4ghz performs better in games, so for me I don't see the benefit of this yet as its not an upgrade.

Your QPI is fine for now. A =stock X5660 w/ 1333Mhz RAM will outperforms the i7-930 @ 4Ghz easily. You have a upgrade, it's just problem isn't with the CPU it's elsewhere. You are bottlenecking something and I'll try to help. In the meantime set your X5660 to stock settings [enable everything on the CPU including C- states] and run those benchmarks again with CPU-Z screenshots on the RAM and CPU info.

I'll try to get you some settings to test out based on your current voltage. I'm using a different board, but I'm sure you'll understand everything.
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Yeah, shouldn't you be able to run ram 8x and 17x or 18x uncore? That would improve bench results. And think that other guys right about turbo giving extra multi...check it...try those settings;
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Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled]
C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled] << Disabled if you do not use Vmware or Virtual PC Programs
Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]

See if you get the extra multi. 1600MHz ram might limit bclk, but should handle overclocking. (with ddr2 my 1066 would do 1115). Guess I'd test that with ram on Auto, but if you get the extra multi that may not matter.

23 x 200 is 4.6MHz with ram at 1600....

(Allways keep track of what you change so you can revert if the change does not work out.)

Sorry for butting in Kana-Maru. This idea has made me a bit nostalgic for the old 1366. You've done this with a Xeon, so you'll know the differences. thumb.gif
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Nah man it's cool. I have no issues smile.gif. I'm glad to see people still interested in the X58 platform and discussing in 2014. I'm sure we will help him get over his bottleneck issue sooner or later. I'm not sure how much vCore his CPU will require to run 4.6Ghz, but I'm guessing it'll be over Intel recommended max. He's having some issues with gaming performance so I'm going to try and help him with that.
    
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It's no problem man. These 2000Mhz RAM modules are simply giving me a headache. I'll be updating info on those very soon. Tighter RAM timings makes a big difference regardless of the clock speed. My L5639@4.0Ghz was pulling 10.22 pts. After I tightened my RAM and ran test to make sure everything was stable, I scored 10.37 pts. Maybe minor to some people, but it made my score much better. Clock speed does matter as well, but a lot of top scores come from the correct timings. No matter if the timings are loose or tight. It depends on the CPU, platform, RAM and settings. In your case getting your RAM frequency right, then tightening the speeds will matter the most on the X58. Of course once you get comfortable with your OC CPU speed to make sure everything is stable.
Your QPI is fine for now. A =stock X5660 w/ 1333Mhz RAM will outperforms the i7-930 @ 4Ghz easily. You have a upgrade, it's just problem isn't with the CPU it's elsewhere. You are bottlenecking something and I'll try to help. In the meantime set your X5660 to stock settings and run those benchmarks again with CPU-Z screenshots on the RAM and CPU info.

I'll try to get you some settings to test out based on your current voltage. I'm using a different board, but I'm sure you'll understand everything.

Ok, I just dont really know how to "Tweak my timings" Hence the problem. I just booted and had to lower my BLCK 3 times since it would not boot at 4.5GHZ. I am not sure if its a timing issue but I changed
QPI to 1.335V
CPU Vcore to 1.3125V
BCLK to 189 providing me 4.35GHZ

QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
Uncore Frequency .......................... 18
SPD to 8 (if set to 60 it would not reach 1600 right now it hovers around 800 -1566
Photos of settings: (Click to show)



Quote:
ee if you get the extra multi. 1600MHz ram might limit bclk, but should handle overclocking. (with ddr2 my 1066 would do 1115). Guess I'd test that with ram on Auto, but if you get the extra multi that may not matter.

23 x 200 is 4.6MHz with ram at 1600....

(Allways keep track of what you change so you can revert if the change does not work out.)
Yes I will have to start monitoring changes. I have the stock changes that loaded up to 4ghz from my i7-930.

I will keep a log after this:

Right now I have the multi unlocked at X23 tongue.gif, However, I think the reason I had X13 was so that my memory would not limit my Overclock. Hence when I raised it to 1600mhz the system would not boot. I was able to lower the BLCK to 189 which gives me 4.35GHZ (not 4.5, and it boots going to run an intel burn test.

I think the Ram could be holding back the O/C or is influencing it since right now at stock temps I am around 29-40C at full load I started to reach 70C.

Now my case is not full cooled since its lying on the floor but I need to take a cat nap be back in 3 hrs. Let me know what you think is the next step mind is groggy now
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I've taken this from one of your previous post:

>>>>> Channel A, B, & C Standard Timing Control
Cas Latency Time...........................:7 AUTO
tRCD.......................................:7 AUTO
tRP........................................:7 AUTO
tRAS.......................................:20 AUTO
>>>>> Channel A, B, & C Advanced Timing Control
tRC........................................: 27 AUTO


Those are the settings I'm speaking about when I speak about changing the RAM timings. Usually the lower the better, but this isn't always the case. However, in your case the lower will be the better. First things first. We have to get you a stable settings. Once you get everything set you'll be ready to mess around with those RAM timings. In the meantime continue to leave it at auto. So please set your X5660 to STOCK and AUTO settings in the BIOS and run your gaming benchmarks so we can have a baseline. You can do this now if you want. Run the same test your ran earlier including Cinebench R11.5 @ stock settings.
    
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