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post #261 of 7890
hey DP I don't have that board so I can't say where.

i'm currently on a Asus p6t Deluxe V2.

For the TRIM mod info you need to start here.

http://www.win-raid.com/t202f28-TRIM-in-RAID-seems-possible-for-all-Intel-chipsets-from-P-up.html

guess I should have posted the rest of my specs also.


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QPI/DMI info in the OP's chart is misleading.

On an single CPU LGA-1366/X58 platform, the QPI link does nothing but connect the CPU to the IOH, and the IOH is nothing but a QPI to PCI-E bridge. From the IOH you get your 36 PCI-E lanes, plus your 4x PCI-E/DMI lanes.

On a single socket LGA-2011setup You have a 40 lane PCI-E controller, and 4 more PCI-E/DMI lanes, both connected directly to the CPU.

Anyway, my point is that listing QPI and PCI-E separately on for the LGA-1366/X58 setup makes it seem that it has more I/O than the LGA-2011 setup. This is factually incorrect; the LGA-2011 platform has more (and lower latency) I/O.
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Set your MB to default settings. Try these settings. Anything I don't include, just leave it set to Auto. Disable anything extra you won't need on your board. This includes USB 3.0 and other chipsets you won't be using [RAID controllers etc.]

2. > Advanced Frequency Settings
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) = Disabled
C3/C6/C7 State Support = Disabled
Ii LEFT THE OTHERS ON AUTO


QPI Clock Ratio = x36
QPI Link Speed = 7.20 G\Ts
Uncore Clock Ratio = x18
Uncore Frequency = 3200Mhz

i CANT SET QPI LINK AND UNCORE FREQUENCEY BUT i SET THE CLOCK AND UNCORE. THE ONLY WAY TO GET UNCORE FREQ TO 3200MHZ IS TO SET THE CLOCK RATIO TO X24 NOT SURE HOW TO GET THE QPI LINK SPEED TO 7.2 ITS AT 4.8GHZ RIGHTNOW

>>>>> Advanced Clock Control
Memory Frequency = 1600Mhz
PCI Express Frequency = 101Mhz
Profile DDR Voltage = 1.50V
Profile QPI Voltage = 1.32V

I DONT HAVE AN OPT[ON TO CHANGE THE MEMORY FREQUENCY ITS GREYED OUT TO 800 / 800. IF I CHANGE THE SPD TO 8 I GET 1066, BUT IF I CHANGE THE BLCK IT INFLUENCES THE SPEED OF THE MEMORY FREQUENCY. FOR I.E. IF BLCK IS SET TO 200 AND SPD TO 8 I WILL GET 1600. WHAT SHOULD I DO HERE?
I SET IT TO AN SPD OF 12 TO GET 1600



> Channel A, B, & C Timing Settings
>>>>> Channel A, B, & C Standard Timing Control
Cas Latency Time.= Auto
tRCD = Auto
tRP = Auto
tRAS = Auto
tRC = Auto

>>> CPU
Load Line Calibration = Auto
CPU Vcore = 1.33 [1.3125v -1.3375v]
QPI/VTT Voltage = 1.32V

I ONLY HAVE 1.315 AND 1.335 I SET IT T. 1.335

CPU PLL = 1.80v

If there's anything I forgot please let me know. Try those settings and see if you can POST and boot to WIndows.
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Originally Posted by Aximous View Post

Sorry I meant the uncore ratio. On the old series it was advised to maintain a 2.0 uncore:dram ratio meaning that if you had 8x memory multiplier you set the uncore to x16, now with 32nm you can go lower for example I'm running a x14 uncore multi with 8x memory multi, that gives a 1.75 ratio which is in the middle of the previously mention range. This can lead to lower uncore voltages for example. A rule of thumb for the uncore multi could be to set it to 2 times the memory multi minus 2 then you can change it 1 step lower or 2 step higher. I hope this helps.

The QPI should always be set to x36 as that is the lowest after slow mode.

Edit: other than what I mentioned here I usually follow this guide and it works great.

One more thing that changes from 45nm to 32nm is some voltages, max uncore is 1.4V, max PLL is 2.0V I think these are the only different ones.
Base clock benches (Click to show)
Thief @ base clock
min 9.8 max 31.8 avg 21.7fps

Cinebench:
7.53

refollowing the guide step 1: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Advanced CPU Features:               
        CPU Clock Ratio 23
        CPU Frequency   4.53
Advanced Frequency Settings             
        Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech       Enabled
        CPU Cores Enabled       All
        CPU Multi Threading     Enabled
        CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) Disabled
        C3/C6/C7 State Support  Disabled
        CPU Thermal Monitor     Enabled
        CPU EIST Function       Disabled
        Bi-Directional Prochot  Enabled
Uncore & QPI Features               
        QPI Link Speed  x36
        Uncore Frequency        14
Standard Clock Control          
        Base Clock (BCLK) Control       Enabled
        BCLK Frequency (MHz)    197
        PCI Express Frequency (MHz)     101
        C.I.A.2 Disabled
Advanced Clock Control          
        CPU Clock Drive 800
        PCI Express Clock Drive 900
        CPU Clock Skew  0
        IOH Clock Skew  0
Advanced Ram Features           
        Performance Enhance     Standard
        Extreme Memory Profile (XMP)    Disabled
        System Memory Multiplier (SPD)  8
        DRAM Timing Selectable  Quick
        Channel Interleaving    6
        Rank Interleaving       4
Channel A + B + C               
Channel A Timing Settings               
        Channel A Standard Timing Control       
        CAS Latency Time        Auto
        tRCD    Auto
        tRD     Auto
        tRAS    Auto
        Channel A Advanced Timing Control       
        tRC     Auto
        tRRD    Auto
        tWTR    Auto
        tWR     Auto
        tWTP    Auto
        tWL     Auto
        tRFC    Auto
        tRTP    Auto
        tFAW    AUTO
        Command Rate    1
        Channel A Miscellaneous Timing Control  
        Round Trip Latency      AUTO
        B2B CAS Delay   AUTO
Advanced Voltage Control                
CPU             
        Load Line Calibration   Level 2
        CPU Vcore 1.16250v      1.60125
        Dynamic Vcore (DVID)    
        QPI/VTT Voltage 1.355v
        CPU PLL 1.8v    1.5v
MCH/ICH         
        PCIE 1.5v       1.54v
        QPI PLL 1.1v    1.16v
        IOH Core 1.1v   1.20v
        ICH I/O 1.5v    1.5v
        ICH Core 1.1v   1.14v
DRAM            
        DRAM Voltage 1.5v       1.68v
        DRAM Termination .75v   AUTO
        CH-A Data Vref .75v     AUTO
        CH-B Data Vref .75v     AUTO
        CH-C Data Vref .75v     AUTO
        CH-A Address Vref .75v  AUTO
        CH-B Address Vref .75v  AUTO
        CH-C Address Vref .75v  AUTO
Miscellaneous Settings          
        Virtualization Technology       Disabled
        Isonchronous Frequency  Enabled

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Also the Xeon seems to be fluctuating under load, does this make sense?
I tried it on a x23 multiplier and it went from 4.5 at idle to 2.4 under load.

Then on x21 it did the same thing.
I have
Intel Turbo Disabled (was enabled for x23)
CPu Cores enabled ALL
CPU Multi Threading ENABLED
C1E Disabled
C3/c6/c7 State Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor Enabled
CPU EIST Function DISABLEd
Bi Directional Prochot Disabled


Further testing is showing that the multiplier is whats fluctuating. What causes the Multiplier to fluctuate? It goes from 21 to 15 to 10 to 8
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I don't know. Thermal protection?
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Thank you i've been on and off of this site for years.

The reason I joined is i'm currently on a 58x setup still.

However i've already made the move from 920 d0 to 970.

Curious to see how guys are doing with the Xeon's i've been following this on the anandtech forum also.

Hey man and welcome to OCN. X58 users unite! Sorry that's a slogan I started using all over the place lol. It got kind lonely as a X58 user here for a while. The 970 and above are still great CPUs as well. i7-965 is still decent as well I suppose. I saw your other posts about your rig and ram timings. 4.2Ghz is a great speed. I'm trying to find the sweet spot with my offset settings so I can start running 4.4Ghz 24/7. Running stock has actually been 100% fine for me so far. I usually overclock when I have a lot of videos to edit and compress. Your rig looks great. We will see how much of a increase Haswell-E brings. I can't wait to compare scores in CPU benchmark section.

Well I actually hit a pretty high clock. 5.2Ghz and had it validated. A user suggested that I upload my benchmarks and speeds to HWBOT.
http://cdn.overclock.net/1/17/17ac074e_fu6xdu.jpeg

I'm still running Real-Time Gaming Benchmarks™ for game like Thief, which was posted on the previous page. Stock clocks vs Overclock settings. kp also sent me some RAM to test the platform with 2000Mhz RAM. So far it's been a pain in the ass, but my system latency is much lower. I'm just trying to figure out way I can't get the benefit of the higher speeds. It's a on going process.

anandtech is really bugging me. I didn't know that site was a crazy mod central. They locked my topic for the smallest infractions. I should have deleted my topic then, but I didn't know how hostile it was there.. They claimed that I have a site, as if I own this [OCN] site and I'm trying to bring traffic here for profit. Some of the users there were cool, but others weren't so easy going. The mods are obviously horrible and hypocrites in my opinion.


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Also the Xeon seems to be fluctuating under load, does this make sense?
I tried it on a x23 multiplier and it went from 4.5 at idle to 2.4 under load.

Then on x21 it did the same thing.
I have
Intel Turbo Disabled (was enabled for x23)
CPu Cores enabled ALL
CPU Multi Threading ENABLED
C1E Disabled
C3/c6/c7 State Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor Enabled
CPU EIST Function DISABLEd
Bi Directional Prochot Disabled


Further testing is showing that the multiplier is whats fluctuating. What causes the Multiplier to fluctuate? It goes from 21 to 15 to 10 to 8

Sorry man. I forgot to add 200 BCLK. My apologies. Add 200 BCLK and all of the same settings I posted. All Xeons will fluctuate. In my OP under the L5639 recap I explained how this worked. Basically it depends on how many scores are being used. Even with C-States disabled these power saving beast will downclock.
    
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Ah so this is the issue I am having...

At idle it stays at 4.1ghz

under max load (intel burn test, prime95, I believe gaming as well) the cpu speed goes from 4.1ghz to 2.2ghz.

This would be a definite reason as to why I am seeing low benches. goign to bring it back aroudn to stock since I am running the vcore very high.

I basically was following the i7-930 guide
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Method #1: Optimizing for max performance per watt. (Click to show)
This method takes by far the most amount of time but for many its worth it in terms of its power efficiency.

Begin by going into the bios and changing your voltage to your vid and setting qpi/uncore (vtt) to 1.25 (I have raised this due to concerns about droop at 1.2) and vdimm to 1.65 (Most boards can't do this 1.66 is safe, ignore your spaz bios warnings; you are not going to explode anything, although if you do, it's not my fault. Set it to 1.64 if it helps you sleep easier. I recommend at this point to be working with either the 21x multiplier if possible in order to keep your ram as much out of the equation as possible. 20X has known problems and 19x will land you with high ram speeds quicker which will require raises in the qpi/uncore voltage sooner.

Open up real temp and run prime 95 with 8 threads and check stability for an hour at least (The more the better. I recommend overnight just to make sure all is good). Record your settings on a piece of paper or email them to yourself. Make sure to have realtemp open in order to watch your temperatures. Temperatures should not exceed 80-85 during prime. During normal use for extended periods, they should never see these kinds of temperatures. I like to keep mine below 70 for normal usage.

After its stable go into the bios and increase the bclk by 10 and repeat the process. Find the max bclk for your stock vid (or any voltage, if you'd like by lowering by smaller amounts when you find an unstable clock. This will help you know what you can run at any given voltage.

See below for known prime 95 errors and how they relate to your settings (also some settings to try for stability). Once you get to the clocks you want, I recommend running prime for at least 16-24 hours. I have in fact had errors in the 14th hour so it's good to know that you're truly stable.

See also below for optimizing your ram settings.

Will Lower the VDimms and see if it makes a difference
EDIT: Lower lowered my Vcore from my 1.65 test to 1.35 and QPI/VTT to 1.315

Loading intel burn test and right now it reads:
Core @ 4.1ghz multi @ 23 temps are between 59-60C

So it seems that even though EIST and C3 is shut off that it still thermal throttles the CPU at the high rates. It will boot into windows fine so how are we to find the max clock?

Kana I have the multi set to 23 do you want me to move the BLCK to 187 for a 4.3ghz setup and start there?

EDIT2: Loaded with your settings Kana
BLCK= 187
Multi X23
However my QPI Link Speed is only 6.73GHz not the 7.2 you wanted
Then Uncore is set to x18 which ggives an Uncore Clock Ratio of 3666MHZ

Running Intel Burn test and Prime 95 together and Temps are ranging between 68-70C on Maximum Load.

Edit got error 003b and prime 95 shut off 2x going to raise Vcore
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Still rocking X58 with i7 920@ 3.7ghz 191 Bclk here as well with 2x Evga gtx 780 dual classified cards. I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon either.
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QPI/DMI info in the OP's chart is misleading.

On an single CPU LGA-1366/X58 platform, the QPI link does nothing but connect the CPU to the IOH, and the IOH is nothing but a QPI to PCI-E bridge. From the IOH you get your 36 PCI-E lanes, plus your 4x PCI-E/DMI lanes.

On a single socket LGA-2011setup You have a 40 lane PCI-E controller, and 4 more PCI-E/DMI lanes, both connected directly to the CPU.

Anyway, my point is that listing QPI and PCI-E separately on for the LGA-1366/X58 setup makes it seem that it has more I/O than the LGA-2011 setup. This is factually incorrect; the LGA-2011 platform has more (and lower latency) I/O.

Sorry for the late reply I just got back to my PC and saw your post. I'm sure that we all know that QPI ONLY connects the CPU to the IOH-X58. The IOH is much more than a QPI to PCI-E bridge, not even close. The IOH works it's butt off, so does the DMI & ICH. QPI replaces the FSB. At least most people know that by now. The IOH does support x4-DMI lanes, not to be confused with PCI-E lanes. DMI is connects the IOH to the ICH. DMI is a point to point connection so it isn't going anywhere, it is also bi-directional-full duplex. DMI is completely different and is used for legacy bridges. Some people confuse DMI-x4 transfer rate with PCI-E generation 1 transfer rate. Just because they share technology similarities and move at the same speeds doesn't mean they do the same things. Later there were updates to the IOH specs, but Intel completely removed the QPI. I believe you confusing this with some practices MB manufactures used hoping to get high speeds from certain components. However, DMI does work very similar to PCI-E, they should not be confused.

The QPI has nothing to do with the PCI-E as far as point to point connections goes. The LGA-2011 DMI has nothing to do with the PCI-E as far as connections goes. The X58 PCI-E is connection to the IOH and the X79 PCI-E is connected directly to the CPU. Intel dropped the QPI on the X79 and moved the updated DMI in order to connect the CPU and X79.

X58 supports 36 PCI-Lanes x16 and to help you understand this better I will write out the PCI-E gen 2 - X58 configurations.

1. x16 - x16 - N/A
2. x8/x8- x8/x8 - /x4
3. x4/x4/x4/x4 - x4/x4/x4/x4 - x2/x2

That's it. 36 PCI lanes = X58 chipset.

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Ah so this is the issue I am having...

At idle it stays at 4.1ghz

under max load (intel burn test, prime95, I believe gaming as well) the cpu speed goes from 4.1ghz to 2.2ghz.

This would be a definite reason as to why I am seeing low benches. goign to bring it back aroudn to stock since I am running the vcore very high.

That's backwards. Under load it should hit 4.1Ghz and idle @ 2.2Ghz. You have to monitor while their is a load. Anytime you have this CPU running it will automatically downclock.

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Kana I have the multi set to 23 do you want me to move the BLCK to 187 for a 4.3ghz setup and start there?

EDIT2: Loaded with your settings Kana
BLCK= 187
Multi X23
However my QPI Link Speed is only 6.73GHz not the 7.2 you wanted
Then Uncore is set to x18 which ggives an Uncore Clock Ratio of 3666MHZ

Running Intel Burn test and Prime 95 together and Temps are ranging between 68-70C on Maximum Load.

Edit got error 003b and prime 95 shut off 2x going to raise Vcore

Set the BLCK to 200 and run the settings I suggested in my last post. Then post your results.
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EDIT: Tried a few times with a 21 / 23 multiplier and it failed to boot, I can boot though with my i7-930 settings going to try again.
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