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QPI Clock Ratio = x36
QPI Link Speed = 7.20 G\Ts
Uncore Clock Ratio = x18
Uncore Frequency = 3200Mhz

i CANT SET QPI LINK AND UNCORE FREQUENCEY BUT i SET THE CLOCK AND UNCORE. THE ONLY WAY TO GET UNCORE FREQ TO 3200MHZ IS TO SET THE CLOCK RATIO TO X24 NOT SURE HOW TO GET THE QPI LINK SPEED TO 7.2 ITS AT 4.8GHZ RIGHTNOW

>>>>> Advanced Clock Control
Memory Frequency = 1600Mhz
PCI Express Frequency = 101Mhz
Profile DDR Voltage = 1.50V
Profile QPI Voltage = 1.32V

I DONT HAVE AN OPT[ON TO CHANGE THE MEMORY FREQUENCY ITS GREYED OUT TO 800 / 800. IF I CHANGE THE SPD TO 8 I GET 1066, BUT IF I CHANGE THE BLCK IT INFLUENCES THE SPEED OF THE MEMORY FREQUENCY. FOR I.E. IF BLCK IS SET TO 200 AND SPD TO 8 I WILL GET 1600. WHAT SHOULD I DO HERE?
I SET IT TO AN SPD OF 12 TO GET 1600

@dpoverlord, First things first, did you reset your CMOS since installing the chip? Are you running the latest version of the BIOS?

You can't set frequencies directly on X58, everything is based off bclock and a multiplier or ratio thereof. So to get 7.2 QPI you have to have x36 ratio and 200 MHz bclock. Same with uncore, and memory. If you want to get 1600 MHz memory with a lower bclock, you have to increase the multiplier.

For Bloomfield chips, like your old 930, Uncore MUST be at least twice (x2) the multiplier of the memory. If your running memory at x8, uncore had to be x16 or higher.

For Gulftown chips like the X5660, Uncore must be at least 1.5 times that of memory. Meaning x8 memory multiplier forces a x12 uncore. This is a good thing because cranking the uncore up too much enabled slow mode on a lot of chips so the lower multi helps avoid that.
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@dpoverlord, First things first, did you reset your CMOS since installing the chip? Are you running the latest version of the BIOS?

You can't set frequencies directly on X58, everything is based off bclock and a multiplier or ratio thereof. So to get 7.2 QPI you have to have x36 ratio and 200 MHz bclock. Same with uncore, and memory. If you want to get 1600 MHz memory with a lower bclock, you have to increase the multiplier.

For Bloomfield chips, like your old 930, Uncore MUST be at least twice (x2) the multiplier of the memory. If your running memory at x8, uncore had to be x16 or higher.

For Gulftown chips like the X5660, Uncore must be at least 1.5 times that of memory. Meaning x8 memory multiplier forces a x12 uncore. This is a good thing because cranking the uncore up too much enabled slow mode on a lot of chips so the lower multi helps avoid that.

Ok I think I understand that.
A. No I didnt take the chip out I just reset to stock and built from there. It was not loading before strictly due to unstable settings. I believe I have gotten past that. Here is where I am now. I am on round 2 changing the vcore lower to see if it makes a difference. So far its at 4.6 (most likely not stable)
Basically on this chip:

Test it with
SPD x8
Uncore x12
QPI x36

With a BCLK of 200 I get 1600MHZ memory.

A lot of the previous settings failed to boot. I just did a test with:
Multiplie X23
QPI = X36 ---> 3600 QPI link
Uncore of x16 --> 1600Mhz
BLCK 200
SPD - 8
Vcore = 1.55V
QPI/ VTT - 1.355V

CPU Speed = 4.6GHZ So far no throttling but the temp at idle is 40-50 and at full Prime95 load hits 90C. going to reboot and see if I can scale back the Vcore.

Edit lowerd from 1.55 to 1.4 got BSOD 08 seems there is not enough Vcore in it. will scale back from a 4.6 overclock
Edited by dpoverlord - 3/4/14 at 9:40pm
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Ok I think I understand that.

Basically on this chip:

Test it with
SPD x8
Uncore x12
QPI x36

With a BCLK of 200 I get 1600MHZ memory.

A lot of the previous settings failed to boot. I just did a test with:
Multiplie X23
QPI = X36 ---> 3600 QPI link
Uncore of x16 --> 1600Mhz
BLCK 200
SPD - 8
Vcore = 1.55V
QPI/ VTT - 1.355V

CPU Speed = 4.6GHZ So far no throttling but the temp at idle is 40-50 and at full Prime95 load hits 90C. going to reboot and see if I can scale back the Vcore.
You getting the proper performance yet also I'd think about finding some cheap RAM sticks 6GB is a insult to a X5660 lol.
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You getting the proper performance yet also I'd think about finding some cheap RAM sticks 6GB is a insult to a X5660 lol.
I need more Ram!!! I have 3x2GB and need more. If I go to 24 / 32 GB will it affect my O/C? I need more than 6 GB 100% I am just unwilling to spend $60 on 6GB on the 3 x 2 GB package going around of G Skill.

Question Do you guys recommend any better ram for this board? Should I go 3 more 3x2GB G Skills $60 and gets me 12GB or should I go for a total change and something like 3x8gb or 6x4gb? Ram is so expensive these days, would appreciate any recs.

In other news I changed around my settings

With a BCLK of 200 I get 1600MHZ memory.

A lot of the previous settings failed to boot. I just did a test with:
Multiplie X23
QPI = X36 ---> 3600 QPI link
Uncore of x16 --> 1600Mhz
BLCK 200
SPD - 8
Vcore = 1.55V
QPI/ VTT - 1.355V

CPU Speed = 4.6GHZ So far no throttling but the temp at idle is 40-50 and at full Prime95 load hits 90C. going to reboot and see if I can scale back the Vcore.
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Edit lowerd from 1.55 to 1.4 got BSOD 08 seems there is not enough Vcore in it. will scale back from a 4.6 overclock

Then changed from 1.4 to 1.5 and it ran the thief benchmark fine. Now time for Prime then scaling to tweak...

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8050 x1600 Benches! (Click to show)
3 - Way Titan no O/C - Score 957 / 38FPS
4800 x 2560 Benches! (Click to show)
2 Way Titan no O/C - Score 530 / 21.1FPS


Firemark Extreme i7-930 Score Test 7312 Xeon Score 7271 (Click to show)
Not much as changed from the original 7680x1600 score of 7699. Seems it takes a 6% performance hit with time and going to portrait mode

Graphics Score 8317
Physics 9803
Graphic 1 46.66
graphic 2 29.52
physics 31.12
Combined 14.88

Xeon @4.45ghz

Graphics Score 7924
Physics 15108
Graphic 1 45.80
graphic 2 27.61
physics 47.96
Combined 14.10
3d Mark11 i7-930 (Click to show)
DPOVerLord i7 930 @ 4.0GHz - 2 xEVGA Titan @ 936Mhz (core) / 1552Mhz (mem) - P15178
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8061403

Ran Thief. Interesting note the GPU was throttling from 1100MHZ to 950 to 1084MHZ

I7-930 bench
Ultra Settings Barely playable but stressful Thief Ultra (Click to show)
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Xeon @ 4.5GHZ
Min 4.7
Max 26.3
AVG 17.7

Xeon @ 4.4GHZ STABLE RD 3 tighter timings
Min - 9.9
Max = 26.2
AVG 18.1
Mix of Normal / Blend settings: avg FPS 22. I tend to take off all AA (Click to show)
Straight Normal Settings

Thief Normal Settings Thief Normal i7-930 (Click to show)
I7-930 Benchmark has an avg FPS of 28.3
Thief Normal Xeon 4.45GHz (Click to show)
Xeon @ 4.5GHX has an AVG FPS
Thief Xeon 4.6GHZ (Click to show)
Min FPS 20.6
Max FPS 48.3
AVG FPS 30.8
Thief Semi Stable 4.51GHZ (Click to show)
Min 19.8
Max 50.2
AVG 31

Just ran Cinebench and get a CPu point of 11.30 Cinebench 4.5GHZ XeonScore CPU 11.17PTS OpenGL 44.99FPS (Click to show)

Cinebench 4.5GHZ RD2 settings XeonScore CPU 11.48 With Kanas help
Cinebench Stable 4.4GHZ RD3 Score 11.32

Metro Light 6 months later I7-930 3/14 bench (Click to show)

Last run we had an avg of 30.39fps I only did 1 run again and had an Avg of 31.27
I ran this on the Xeon and it ran slower as well more around 27FPS Will run a 3 run batch now

Batman set to Max settings Everything i7-930 Max (Click to show)
Whats interesting is that the Titans utilized 4.7GB of Memory w/ an avg 32 FPS
Xeon @ 4.5GHZ Maxed out graphics settings (Click to show)
Same exact Benchmarks only off by 1 fps on Average
With new 4.4 Stable settings
Min 28
Max 48
AVG 33

This is a 17% improvement over the 930 based on max frame rates however AVG FPs was similar
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Passed Intel Burn Test:
Standard and High

Temps ran at 85-max 90C

In Game temps in Thief earlier were 60.

I really am fond of getting a 4.6GHZ Overclock, however, if intel burntest hovers at 85-90C Prime will too for 24 hrs and I dont want to run it that high.

At this point I am going to look at lowering the Vcore..

But year Muse I need Ram open to suggestions Just $120+ seems really high no?
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I also am sporting a sweet Xeon. I'm curious on how the new UE4 engine will use multi-core processors.

With so much tech I'm sure they will depend more on the CPU this time around. UE3 still looks extremely good by today graphical standards. I can only imagine what UE4 will bring to the table with great developers.
    
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Passed Intel Burn Test:
Standard and High

Temps ran at 85-max 90C

In Game temps in Thief earlier were 60.

I really am fond of getting a 4.6GHZ Overclock, however, if intel burntest hovers at 85-90C Prime will too for 24 hrs and I dont want to run it that high.

At this point I am going to look at lowering the Vcore..

But year Muse I need Ram open to suggestions Just $120+ seems really high no?
12GB kit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231358 g skills looks very cheap.
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12GB kit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231358 g skills looks very cheap.

Is it better to just get another 3 x 2 GB? Since I already have 6gb? Or does it affect O/C speeds:

See:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231225 I already have 3x2GB of this
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Is it better to just get another 3 x 2 GB? Since I already have 6gb? Or does it affect O/C speeds:

See:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231225 I already have 3x2GB of this
I'm not sure but 18gb ram sounds better than 12gb.
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The IOH is much more than a QPI to PCI-E bridge, not even close.

How do you figure?

QPI bus goes in 40 PCI-E lanes come out (DMI is essentally a group of four modified PCI-E lanes). This is the very definition of a bridge, and the part doesn't do anything else.
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QPI replaces the FSB.

Only in the sense that it connects the chipset to the CPU. LGA-1366 chipsets do not have memory controllers, so QPI only handles I/O on single socket platforms.
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The IOH does support x4-DMI lanes, not to be confused with PCI-E lanes.

They are very similar.
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I believe you confusing this with some practices MB manufactures used hoping to get high speeds from certain components.

I am not confusing anything.
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The QPI has nothing to do with the PCI-E as far as point to point connections goes.

Which is why you have the X58 IOH...which is a glorified bridge chip.
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The LGA-2011 DMI has nothing to do with the PCI-E as far as connections goes. The X58 PCI-E is connection to the IOH and the X79 PCI-E is connected directly to the CPU. Intel dropped the QPI on the X79 and moved the updated DMI in order to connect the CPU and X79.

All of which I already stated.
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X58 supports 36 PCI-Lanes x16 and to help you understand this better I will write out the PCI-E gen 2 - X58 configurations.

1. x16 - x16 - N/A
2. x8/x8- x8/x8 - /x4
3. x4/x4/x4/x4 - x4/x4/x4/x4 - x2/x2

None of this has anything to do with anything, and isn't completely correct (there are more lane possibilities) regardless.

You have not addressed the issue I originally brought up. Your chart makes it look like QPI and PCI-E are separate I/O on the X58, they are not. All I/O reaching the CPU must pass through the IOH and the QPI. You cannot add QPI and PCI-E/DMI bandwidth, because all of it must ultimately fit into the QPI.
Edited by Blameless - 3/4/14 at 11:42pm
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