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From my understanding though the X58 Mobo does not react well to different types. Meaning if I have 3 x 2GB I want to stay with another 3 x 2GB I dont want to change out to

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Update
Kana & I had a pow wow on Steam and fine tuned the system for going on 4+ hrs.... No idea how to explain how grateful I am... This is why I love OCN!!!l

First +Rep and I dont know how to say how awesome you are for taking the time and answering my zillion questions.

Next I am going to run the chip on prime over night but yeah 4.6GHZ @ 1.5V what was I thinking

Right now we have 2 benches

4.4GHz QPI - 3762MHZ BLCK @ 209 Core Speed @ 4389MHZ DRAM @ 836MHZ
FSB DRAM 2:8
Timings 10-11-11-31
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CPUZ LINK 4.37

For fun I really wanted to get to 4.5GHZ
4514MHZ QPI 3869MHZ Multi x21 Bus 214 DRAM @ 859MHZ
timings: 10-12-12-31
CPUZ Link 4.5GHZ
Intel Burn test failed at this and did not want to tweak

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timings 10-12-2-31
CPU Z LINK
Passed 10 cyclesere running together though.iled when these 2 were run

EDIT kungfu.gifband.gif drum roll!!! Success!! I have to thank Kana for the countless hours he just spent 1 on 1 helping me out. Also I want to shout out to Alcan and everyone else in this thread that helped! I scaled back to a solid 4.41GHZ from 4.35 and 4.54.

We tightened the timings as well. With Intel Burntest completed temps ranges from 65-70C
CPU-Z Validation PICTURES (Click to show)
Stock temps run at 25-30C
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4.4Ghz all day. Uses way less vcore. Safer and 100Mhz won't kill your results for anything. 4.5Ghz continued to fail the stability testing. Which means it's going to require more vCore. You can't even post without 1.5V for 4.6Ghz. 4.4Ghz is the best solution for now.
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QPI bus goes in 40 PCI-E lanes come out (DMI is essentally a group of four modified PCI-E lanes). This is the very definition of a bridge, and the part doesn't do anything else.

Just read below. Different platforms.

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They are very similar.

Which is exactly why I said and I quote "Some people confuse DMI-x4 transfer rate with PCI-E generation 1 transfer rate. Just because they share technology similarities and move at the same speeds doesn't mean they do the same things."

Not only that, but QPI is similar to both PCI-E and RAM as well. Obviously they behave differently and are used for different tasks, but should not be confused.

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I am not confusing anything.

Obviously you are, but we are all entitled to our opinions. You are confusing my intentions with the comparison;

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Which is why you have the X58 IOH...which is a glorified bridge chip.

Ummm...yeah its a northBRIDGE chip. It has to communicate with everything including the internal components within itself. Constantly running with no rest. The hottest chip on the board. It's definitely more than a glorified bridge. It's simply legacy tech. Intel switched it up with the X79 though, which was a terrific move on their part.

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None of this has anything to do with anything, and isn't completely correct (there are more lane possibilities) regardless.

You have not addressed the issue I originally brought up. Your chart makes it look like QPI and PCI-E are separate I/O on the X58, they are not. All I/O reaching the CPU must pass through the IOH and the QPI. You cannot add QPI and PCI-E/DMI bandwidth, because all of it must ultimately fit into the QPI.

Yes I can and I did for a reason. If my chart looks like that then I'm sure most will see the diagrams for both the X58 and X79 at some point, that is if they want to know anything about the platforms. Now I see why you are so confused. As I said above I was clearly comparing both platforms based on the numbers.What you saying is obvious. Everyone with eyes can see the X58 diagram - PCI-E runs through the IOH and X79 runs directly to the CPU.

As I said in my review. They are using different platforms and I'm sure a lot of tech heads have seen the diagrams and how both of them work. I don't think it's going to confuse anyone that cares or knows about both of these platforms.

X79= 40 Lanes
X58= 32 Lanes

I'm not going into the obvious difference in the platforms layouts themselves. We all know X58 was before Intel connected the PCI-E directly to the CPU. If some don't then that's understandable....google the diagrams.
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From my understanding though the X58 Mobo does not react well to different types. Meaning if I have 3 x 2GB I want to stay with another 3 x 2GB I dont want to change out to

1 set 3x2
one set 3 x 4


I don't have my xeon yet and I hope the IMC is improved from the first gen i7's. My experience was if you run 6x2GB sticks of RAM you will more than likely have to up mess with some voltages. On my 920 I had to up VRAM and VTT voltages for 6 sticks vs 3. HOWEVER, that was 2000+ Mhz and much more stressful on components than 1600... not to mention on a quad core. @ 1600-1800Mhz the only issues I've see on the 920 is when using larger capacity sticks (4GB+) and 6 of them.

I am assuming here: Given that servers tend to run MUCH more RAM than the average power user (all be it @ 1333Mhz vs 1600+), I think the Xeon's IMC would be much better with driving more (and larger) RAM modules than the 1st gen i7's did. That is an assumption though because I cannont test my x5650 yet frown.gif. I have two sets of Ripjaw 1600Mhz (6 sticks of 4GB) and that will be a good test for the hexcore. My 920 looses RAM modules when I try anything more than 1760Mhz no matter what kind of voltages and tweaking I do.
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c ikey some of them benches slash my i7920 redface.gif

but in the real world i am smile.gif
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anandtech is really bugging me. I didn't know that site was a crazy mod central. They locked my topic for the smallest infractions. I should have deleted my topic then, but I didn't know how hostile it was there.. They claimed that I have a site, as if I own this [OCN] site and I'm trying to bring traffic here for profit. Some of the users there were cool, but others weren't so easy going. The mods are obviously horrible and hypocrites in my opinion.
Sorry man. I forgot to add 200 BCLK. My apologies. Add 200 BCLK and all of the same settings I posted. All Xeons will fluctuate. In my OP under the L5639 recap I explained how this worked. Basically it depends on how many scores are being used. Even with C-States disabled these power saving beast will downclock.

I've been a member on the Anantech forum since 2002.

Alot has changed as of late.

The mods have been in overdrive because of a ton of fan boy rage all over the forum. Marketing shills and just people straight up trolling. So they have to toughen up sadly and sometimes that means excessive warnings over little small stuff. If you follow the forum rules and ignore some of the fan boys its still a great environment. Its however no longer as free as it once and the mods are working to clean up the forums. So I can understand why some people have been put off, but it was just the timing that you joined the site. There is alot of very knowledgeable long time members on that site that are happy to help and contribute. So don't put all of us in the same boat tongue.gif
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I've been a member on the Anantech forum since 2002.

Alot has changed as of late.

The mods have been in overdrive because of a ton of fan boy rage all over the forum. Marketing shills and just people straight up trolling. So they have to toughen up sadly and sometimes that means excessive warnings over little small stuff. If you follow the forum rules and ignore some of the fan boys its still a great environment. Its however no longer as free as it once and the mods are working to clean up the forums. So I can understand why some people have been put off, but it was just the timing that you joined the site. There is alot of very knowledgeable long time members on that site that are happy to help and contribute. So don't put all of us in the same boat tongue.gif

there is a fine line between moderation, and making accusations of trying to steal ad revenue from them. Then locking the thread so that you may not even contest it, then when you go to contest it, the thread is deleted.

It sounds like to me the anandtech mods would much rather act like children and help the misinformation being spread on those forums
    
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there is a fine line between moderation, and making accusations of trying to steal ad revenue from them. Then locking the thread so that you may not even contest it, then when you go to contest it, the thread is deleted.

It sounds like to me the anandtech mods would much rather act like children and help the misinformation being spread on those forums

I wasn't on the forum to see those thread and it being locked etc.

So i'm going to assume this is a recent change or the rules have changed for this stuff recently.

But no point trying to figure what there reasons are only the mods know. My point was just to let you know there are still helpful members on the that forum and I certainly don't blame anyone on OCN for feeling the way they do about it.

I don't want to take this thread off topic tho so no more mention of anandtech from me.

Where can I find the rules for this forum?
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I don't have my xeon yet and I hope the IMC is improved from the first gen i7's. My experience was if you run 6x2GB sticks of RAM you will more than likely have to up mess with some voltages. On my 920 I had to up VRAM and VTT voltages for 6 sticks vs 3. HOWEVER, that was 2000+ Mhz and much more stressful on components than 1600... not to mention on a quad core. @ 1600-1800Mhz the only issues I've see on the 920 is when using larger capacity sticks (4GB+) and 6 of them.

I am assuming here: Given that servers tend to run MUCH more RAM than the average power user (all be it @ 1333Mhz vs 1600+), I think the Xeon's IMC would be much better with driving more (and larger) RAM modules than the 1st gen i7's did. That is an assumption though because I cannont test my x5650 yet frown.gif. I have two sets of Ripjaw 1600Mhz (6 sticks of 4GB) and that will be a good test for the hexcore. My 920 looses RAM modules when I try anything more than 1760Mhz no matter what kind of voltages and tweaking I do.

From what i've seen on X58 board is can be picky so its usually best to stick with the same brand memory and same size sticks.

Quality of memory does also matter.

With my modules i'm running 6x2GB at stock voltage for my memory so 1.65v. Memory overclocks do differ from Bloomfield to Gulftown because of the different uncore speed so something to also consider.

Have anyone actually seen any gains with DDR 2000+ memory I would think the tripple channel nature of X58 shouldn't benefit much aslong as your using DDR3 1600 modules.
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