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post #431 of 7890
I mean im really impressed but this little project like finding a good used xeon, motherboard and some ram is really not worth it in the end I believe. If you alreaddy have a good x58 motherboard and ram, sure feel free to find a used xeon 56xx, but I see little point trying to make such a build from scratch. If you are gaming you better off buying a used i7 from sandy, ivy or haswell generation, it will probably cost less, motherboard and ram included. Specially since these builds are getting mote popular, the used prices will increase.

But yeah, you make a good demonstration of how powerfull and future proof the x58 plattform actually was and those people that were building high end rigs 5 years ago can get really nice boost in todays game and apps buy getting a xeon 56xx and OC it to 4.5-5ghz.

Im not sure the x79 plattform will be as future proof as the x58 though, because as we can see in your tests the 5660 is even close to the 39xx and 49xx. But overall the life cycle seem to be longer as fas as intel is concearned. The i5 2500k is alreaddy 3 years old and still going strong which is a good example of intels superiority in cpus. I think the term future proof nowadays has little to do regarding the upgrade possiblites like cpu and ram, but the fact that the cpu and ram itself, despite outdated still match the performance of new hardware, and here the xeon 5660 is a good example. Even the sany bridge cpus are a good example because they perform similar to the haswell in terms of performance and they are 3 years old. Talk about good "investments" people made back then.
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I guess it depends on what you plan on doing with it. I have 300$ in a board and x5650 cpu.
If you are just playing games it may be a bit much, but for folding @ home or crunching boinc these are great work horses.
With my Phenom II 1045T @ 3.2ghz and a 660Ti I can play any game I want, but crunching x5650, way out performs the 1045T.
The memory I had laying around, 4 sticks of 4gb so I put three of them to work and have an extra one if one fails.
My dual x5660 folds as good as my 4 processor hex core AMD 8425.

On another note, I have seen dual intel 1366 boards for 100$ and pc3-1333 EEC Samsung 1gb ram as low as 5$ a stick
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Thats is what I mean, if you can get things cheap, I would do such a build myself. But thats another story.
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Kana those are great temps.

Is this rig water cooled?

Also do you prefer to overclock with turbo enabled or disabled?

Thanks. Well it's kinda water cooled thumb.gif It is. I'm running a closed loop water cooler - Antec Kuhler 620 with dual fans push\pull. This cooler has been great since I installed it years back. It has cooled my X5660 at high vcore and I've actually hit 5.4Ghz with it, but it required so much voltage that I didn't want to take a screenshot. I simply restarted to get the voltage back down to a reasonable level.

Yes I overclock with Turbo enabled. If I run into any issues I'll try to disable turbo, but that usually never solves my issues so I leave it enabled if I'm going for x24 and dropping the multiplier. For extremely high overclocks [4.8Ghz - 5.2Ghz - 5.4Ghz] disable Turbo sometimes. It all depends on what I'm trying to do.

I'm actually compressing 94.1GBs down to about [hopefully] 600MBs-700MBs, but no higher than 800MBs as I'm typing this. The ambient temp is 23c and during the compression and render I'm averaging 52c during the 70%-95% load. I leave a little so I can do other things on the PC. So this cooler is outdated, but still puts up great numbers for half the price of the newer coolers in 2013 - 2014 for me personally.

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I mean im really impressed but this little project like finding a good used xeon, motherboard and some ram is really not worth it in the end I believe. If you alreaddy have a good x58 motherboard and ram, sure feel free to find a used xeon 56xx, but I see little point trying to make such a build from scratch. If you are gaming you better off buying a used i7 from sandy, ivy or haswell generation, it will probably cost less, motherboard and ram included. Specially since these builds are getting mote popular, the used prices will increase.

Well I'm not understanding what's the point of this portion of the post because I specifically said in my very first post that this guide was for X58 users. Those who might be on the fence and trying to decide to upgrade. Instead of spending a ton of cash you can get very affordable Xeons that are unlocked and easy to overclock for the average enthusiast. Everyone knew the prices would rise, including myself, which is why I was trying to get everyone to buy one before the word of mouth spreads. Well it did spread and did so at a very rapid pace. I purchased my Xeon L5639 for $75 in December 2013. Now they all seem to be moving towards the $160 - $200 mark o_O. I look at the X58 upgrade from both sides and I will not criticize someone for building a X58 from scratch.. If AMD users or even people on newer platforms [SB\IB\Haswell] could upgrade their current machines for under $300 bucks WHY NOT smile.gif. Going the high end X79 Hexa route is going to cost you at least $800 or more and that $500 plus different could be spent on a GPU or SSD or whatever. That's the point. Even if you are building from scratch you could get a used X58 board and a used Xeon L56xx for under $125 - $200 and a X56xx for under $275 - $300 [prior to the X58 MB and X58 Xeon price hike]. Slightly increasing the BLCK would instantly put you in the high end range as far as performance goes. Not to mention the low price you paid for the performance.

So you have to look at this from a different angle. Even if you were building from scratch it wouldn't be so bad since their are complete X58 builds for little to nothing out there online. People are trying to get rid of them so why not buy and capitalize since they don't know about these Hexa Cores. So if people build from scratch and get their money's worth I'm definitely not going to criticize them. I would congratulate them since they didn't fall victim to the Intel small percentage increase hype game.

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But yeah, you make a good demonstration of how powerfull and future proof the x58 plattform actually was and those people that were building high end rigs 5 years ago can get really nice boost in todays game and apps buy getting a xeon 56xx and OC it to 4.5-5ghz.

Thanks for reading my reveiw. That's funny because a lot of people have told me for years that nothing is "future proof". I laughed at them then and I laugh at them now. The X58 was more future proof than the platforms that came after it. Some of those platforms are dead now and underpowered compared to the X58 [and was underpowered before]. A Xeon X56xx at 4.5Ghz is already overkill and will burn up without a decent setup and good ambient temps. A Xeon L5639 @ 3.8Ghz - 4.1Ghz is all anyone will ever need in this day and age for a ton of programs and gaming. Unless you are just trying to get e-peen points on benchmarks etc, 3Ghz is more than enough for daily use. Even for programs that require a lot from the CPU. 4Ghz is just money for the price per performance with these Hexa Cores.

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Im not sure the x79 plattform will be as future proof as the x58 though, because as we can see in your tests the 5660 is even close to the 39xx and 49xx. But overall the life cycle seem to be longer as fas as intel is concearned. The i5 2500k is alreaddy 3 years old and still going strong which is a good example of intels superiority in cpus. I think the term future proof nowadays has little to do regarding the upgrade possiblites like cpu and ram, but the fact that the cpu and ram itself, despite outdated still match the performance of new hardware, and here the xeon 5660 is a good example. Even the sany bridge cpus are a good example because they perform similar to the haswell in terms of performance and they are 3 years old. Talk about good "investments" people made back then.

The i5-2500K is pretty good if you can overclock it to a decent clock speed. The stock settings is pretty damn slow. However, a highly clocked i5-2500K @5Ghz is almost as good a stock Xeon Hexa-Core at 3Ghz with DDR3-1333Mhz RAM. The term "future proof" has always been about matching the future releases as far as performance goes. In the tech field everyone knows that components released today wil lbe outdated 6-10 months later. That's how rapid these technology companies move and I personally love it. That's the only way I've understood it over the pass 10 yeears or so.

Sandy Bridge-E is a great example since they overclock well and performs great on a newer platform, but at the end of the day they still share the SAME platform with Ivy Bridge-E. IV-B = That's not really a upgrade at all especially since SB-E tends to overclock higher than IV-E. We all know Intel plays the 5% - 10% hype game when they release their Dual, Quads and Hexa CPUs. I've also noticed some wierd trends that I believe Intel has used to keep the price of their high end CPUs sky high. I'm continuing my small investigation.

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I guess it depends on what you plan on doing with it. I have 300$ in a board and x5650 cpu.
If you are just playing games it may be a bit much, but for folding @ home or crunching boinc these are great work horses.

I agree. These are great work horses. I just got around to reading your post. I see my price point was correct. $300 for a X56xx and a X58 board is a great investment compared to the more expensive options. Not to mention you can still play high end games with no CPU bottlenecking. The CPU will also allow the more frames to be rendered which ultimately allows a smoother experience while playing.
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I'm actually compressing 94.1GBs down to about [hopefully] 600MBs-700MBs, but no higher than 800MBs as I'm typing this.

Kana, if those are gameplay footage videos, I recommend you to look into using Dxtory with a x264 codec for recording. With a proper setup, you have have near-ish FRAPS quality at 20-22GB per hour.
If this is of interest to you, I learned of this over at Techpowerup's forums: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/dxtory-and-x264-codec.169823/

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Kana, if those are gameplay footage videos, I recommend you to look into using Dxtory with a x264 codec for recording. With a proper setup, you have have near-ish FRAPS quality at 20-22GB per hour.
If this is of interest to you, I learned of this over at Techpowerup's forums: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/dxtory-and-x264-codec.169823/

EDIT. look at post #3

Thanks, but I already use x264 in several recording and rendering programs.It does look very good and the files are extremely small with no quality loss. It's also less stressful on the CPU while recording and I don't notice any drop in the fps. I have Dxtory and haven't used it in awhile, but I might try those settings eventually. I like using FRAPS from time to time for several reasons. Now since I can turn 94.1GBs into 1GB [with good quality] I have no issues using FRAPS, but it isn't my main recording program at all. I actually don't use FRAPs that much at all. It's just too much and there are plenty of better programs that have way more benefits out there like DXtory.

Once again thanks for the heads up. I will get around to using Dxtory again.
    
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Hi, add me to the X5660 club. I probably honestly don't NEED a 5660, my i7 930 4.0Ghz is still running strong at around 1.28v, and gaming has been for the most part a smooth experience with SLI GTX660 (Asus DC2OC versions), but figure at $160 shipped for a hexacore I'd take the extra HP for video conversion, etc and get the benefit of a lower TDP and hopefully be a bit more power efficient. Other components include an EVGA x58 SLI LE mobo, Corsair Dominator 1600 RAM, Corsair H80i AIO cooler, Crucial M4 SSD, Toshiba 2GB HD. I was honestly on my way out of the platform until I read this article and realized that I couldn't get anywhere near the performance for $160 or so, even though I could I could have gotten a pretty good deal on a Haswell or Ivy and even have a z77 1155 mobo laying around that a friend game me.
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Just got my x5660 and h80i (this was a mutha f'n B to install) installed! stock ambient temps ~ 23c and stock Prime 95 ~ 44c. So far I'm happy with it but did have a boot issue when loading an X.M.P profile in the AI tuner.
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I hope my Xeon (X5660) system and i7 970 lasts for 10 more years
     
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Hi, add me to the X5660 club. I probably honestly don't NEED a 5660, my i7 930 4.0Ghz is still running strong at around 1.28v, and gaming has been for the most part a smooth experience with SLI GTX660 (Asus DC2OC versions), but figure at $160 shipped for a hexacore I'd take the extra HP for video conversion, etc and get the benefit of a lower TDP and hopefully be a bit more power efficient. Other components include an EVGA x58 SLI LE mobo, Corsair Dominator 1600 RAM, Corsair H80i AIO cooler, Crucial M4 SSD, Toshiba 2GB HD. I was honestly on my way out of the platform until I read this article and realized that I couldn't get anywhere near the performance for $160 or so, even though I could I could have gotten a pretty good deal on a Haswell or Ivy and even have a z77 1155 mobo laying around that a friend game me.

Welcome to the site. I thinking about making a Official Xeon X56xx Club, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I guess I will make a topic for the Official X56xx club later tonight or tomorrow. I need to make a official banner or something. Anyone here with Photoshop skills? If not, I'l come up with a official banner or something in awhile. Since we have some users that are buying them I guess it won't be such a failure for a official topic. If you were using a i7-930 then yeah you NEEDED a Hexa Core. These chips will lift the bottleneck and allow you to increase your frame times which will lead to better gaming performance [more FPS!]. You get plenty of more power efficiency. 95W TDP and you can easily clock them around 3.8Ghz-4.4Ghz rather easily. I'd say that's a steal for $160 shipped. Glad you didn't get the Haswell or Ivy. Sure they have low latency and is on a modern platform, but you'll get more performance out of the Hexa cores and punish the Quad Cores clock for clock and even with a lower clock comparison. A Hexa core clocked at 3.9Ghz or 4Ghz will perform at the same level as highly clocked i7-4770k [Haswell] @ 4.7Ghz - 4.9Ghz. Plus the Hexa core would perform better I would imagine. High end is High end period.


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Just got my x5660 and h80i (this was a mutha f'n B to install) installed! stock ambient temps ~ 23c and stock Prime 95 ~ 44c. So far I'm happy with it but did have a boot issue when loading an X.M.P profile in the AI tuner.

That's because The X.M.P profile with the X5660 is all over the place. Don't use those settings they give you. It's better to just set it up yourself and save the headache. X.M.P almost always cause boot issues because specific settings are to high or to low to POST or boot. I'll try to help you when I get a little time.


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I hope my Xeon (X5660) system and i7 970 lasts for 10 more years

Unless programs just skip from Quad to Octo-cores I don't see why the Hexa cores won't be viable for another 10 years lol. From what I've read a lot of programs still doesn't utilize Hexa Cores yet. If Intel continues their 5% - 15% increments for performance increase I'm sure you'll have nothing to worry about. If I can get another 4 years out of my X58+X5660 I'd be happy and even after then I'm sure I'll still use it for legacy purposes and rendering.
    
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Seagate Barracuda 7200 1TB RAID 0 - B Seagate Barracuda 7200 1TB RAID 0 - B Seagate Barracuda 7200 1TB RAID 0 - C Seagate Barracuda 7200 1TB RAID 0 - C 
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SSD 128GB RAID - A SSD 128GB RAID - A SSD 256GB  Antec Kuhler H2O 620 [Pull] 
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Windows 10 Professional  Dual 24-inch Monitors EVGA SuperNOVA G2 1300W x2 Delta FFB1212EH-F00 Fan 4,000rpm  
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Xeon 5660 @ 4.8Ghz [Highest OC 5.4Ghz] ASUS Sabertooth X58 AMD Fury X 24GB - 1600Mhz Triple Channel 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Seagate Barracuda 7200 1TB RAID 0 - B Seagate Barracuda 7200 1TB RAID 0 - B Seagate Barracuda 7200 1TB RAID 0 - C Seagate Barracuda 7200 1TB RAID 0 - C 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
SSD 128GB RAID - A SSD 128GB RAID - A SSD 256GB  Antec Kuhler H2O 620 [Pull] 
OSMonitorPowerOther
Windows 10 Professional  Dual 24-inch Monitors EVGA SuperNOVA G2 1300W x2 Delta FFB1212EH-F00 Fan 4,000rpm  
Other
x4 Scythe Gentle Typhoon D1225C12BBAP-31 Fan 54... 
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