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Kana-Maru

thx for reply, I'm glad to receive any feedback!

Yes, my main goal is to make my system rock stable 24/7 in overclock like it work in stock.
I don't like & don't want to get random BSOD's / hang / reboot during gaming or something else. Also don't want to lost/corrupt data on SSD etc.

regarding AUTO settings for voltage - I think it's not a good idea. I always can check what MB set in auto with multimeter, but to be sure I prefer to set in manually.

I read that IOH/ICH should be up a little on high BCLK overclock, as well when we use high-end videocard(s) in SLI on our old X58 chipset.

How do you think, what's the safe 24/7 voltage for VTT? 1.35 as most say or 1.375-1.4v?

Regarding temps - 79c was for 4.5GHz 1.4+ v overclock test.
Also I always try to test overclock at the minimum pump speed & minimum fans speed. This is because I think that making it stable at higher possible temp than usual makes more stablility "space". If I test with max pump & fans speed, then I get it stable at (for example) at 70-72c, but when I decide to load CPU in a "quiet mode" with pump/fans at minimum in the future, I may probably get an error or something like that. And when I get stable CPU at 78-79c I'll be sure that it will be stable under all conditions and scenarios.

My idle (room air) temp is about 24c now. I'm using aquaero 6 with 4 termal sensors - 2 for water (radiator group out/in) and 2 for air (case air in, radiators air out) and my W3680 heats water up to 36c (34c cooled out by radiators) with air going from rad's at the 34c too. So it's really hot thing smile.gif in case of bad heat transfer (little contact/bad thermal interface) I think water would be cooler, but CPU temps highrer.

There 2 days I did some more research and I can 100% say that CPU PLL is a very important voltage. I think it's not so popular because most of MB's don't allow to lower it below standard value of 1.8x, or it's some kind of "cheat" biggrin.gif that allows so sweet overclocks, "legends" about super 1366 CPU's able to run 4.6GHz on 1.4v etc.

I selected the 175-180 bclk range for my CPU overclocking at the moment. I find it optimal to save native multiplier of 25x and get acceptable mem freq and qpi freq at the same time. 175-177 allows me 2100-2133 by mem at native 9-10-9-27 timings and 180 give me 1800 mem with tighter 8-9-8-24 timings.

Last days I tested my CPU much and realized that for 4.4GHz (175x25) I need 1.39v (1.40v real) voltage on core. This tests were done with 1.81v default PLL (1.83 real).
Today I decided to move as low as 1.31v for PLL and... CPU were stable, passes several hours of LinX w/o performance degradation, several hours of prime95 large FFT's too.

Then I tested another values: 1.45-1.49v - error in Linx. 1.51v - ok, 1.61 - possible stable. 1.65 - 1.80 - errors in LinX. Going higher than 1.81 seems to be ok up to 1.84-1.85v. 1.9x+ errors in Linx.
Now I decided to try to lower Core voltage from 1.39v to something less and set 1.35v just for FUN! at 1.81v on PLL such low 1.35v on core always ended with reboot/blue screen in LinX in 1-2 iterations.
But now... I'm stable in LinX for 2 hours (!!) already. I think it's a HUGE improvment, and possible I may thing again of reaching 4.5-4.6 with reasonable voltages. But I need more testing anyway.
I'll play with VTT & mem voltages too, while holding PLL at the same low value. Maybe they can go lower too.

At the moment my temps with minimal cooling are the following: 4.4GHz @ 1.39v & PLL 1.81v = 76c max after 1hr of LinX and 4.4GHz @ 1.35v & PLL 1.31v = 71c max after 1hr of LinX. 5c improvment !
Moving to full pump & fans speed usually takes off about 5-6c in my case. So aproximately there are about 65c max.
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My boot is much quicker now since I stopped using the on-board RAID and Nvidia GPUs. The AMD GPU skips over somethings that Nvidia GPU needed to check every boot. I'll check my times for you. One sec.

Edit:
POST [RAM\Video\LPC\HDD\LPC check] takes around 15 seconds.
Splash screen + more POSTs approx 10secs
Boot times were literally 2 seconds if that long.
Total approx 27secs.

Things usually load quick if I'm running stock.

Yea, mine does take a little longer than that, 30 seconds or so, guessing its just the platform then.
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In my experience the issue was always related to borderline Vcore, IIRC

Mines all on stock, should not be related to that.
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regarding AUTO settings for voltage - I think it's not a good idea. I always can check what MB set in auto with multimeter, but to be sure I prefer to set in manually.
I read that IOH/ICH should be up a little on high BCLK overclock, as well when we use high-end videocard(s) in SLI on our old X58 chipset.

I have a lot of things set to AUTO and I monitor the settings as well. Depending on the option I've never had the MB scare me. Usually when you set something to AUTO, except a few options like voltages, the MB will be conservative.

I've never really had to mess with IOH or the ICH much.
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How do you think, what's the safe 24/7 voltage for VTT? 1.35 as most say or 1.375-1.4v?

You'll definitely want to be under 1.4v for sure. 1.375v shouldn't be to bad with proper cooling, but ideally you'll want to be as close to 1.3v as possible.
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There 2 days I did some more research and I can 100% say that CPU PLL is a very important voltage. I think it's not so popular because most of MB's don't allow to lower it below standard value of 1.8x, or it's some kind of "cheat" biggrin.gif that allows so sweet overclocks, "legends" about super 1366 CPU's able to run 4.6GHz on 1.4v etc.

CPU PLL should stay around 1.8v. It is very important and it also kills faster than heat and high vCore combined. There's no cheat when it comes to overclocking on the 1366.

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POST times on this platform are often long, which is annoying when setting an overclock up. When it's sorted you can just use suspend most of the time, which is instant.
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POST times on this platform are often long, which is annoying when setting an overclock up. When it's sorted you can just use suspend most of the time, which is instant.

Mine for some reason takes almost as long to come back from sleep as it does to cold boot, its extremely sluggish. Performance wise I have no complaints, works fine.
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Mine for some reason takes almost as long to come back from sleep as it does to cold boot, its extremely sluggish. Performance wise I have no complaints, works fine.

Does it do this with all USB and drives disconnected apart from the boot drive? If my old iPod is plugged in my machine won't boot for about 5 minutes!
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Does it do this with all USB and drives disconnected apart from the boot drive? If my old iPod is plugged in my machine won't boot for about 5 minutes!

Would have to check this, I only have a wireless usb keyboard and 3 hdds. Crazy something would take that long to boot lol.

Same thing, pulled all the hard drives, one stick of ram, no usb plugged in and it still takes a long time to boot, a funny thing that happens though is when I press f12 to select boot device sometimes it will shut down instead of opening the menu.

Very weird.
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Hey guys, I figured the sleep issue on X58. Just disabled "Hybrid Sleep" in the Power Settings, and now sleep works like a charm. Thanks for the input.
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Hey guys, thanks for sharing all the wealth of info. Here are some pics of my X58 rig:

Build (Specs are in Sig under "Kid Dynomite"):

Some more pics: http://imgur.com/a/KDWuQ

Running IBT @very high:

I normally get around 81GFlops, but I had some stuff running at this time it would seem.

Kana~ I finally managed to build out my mATX x58 rig, but unfortunately it would seem I can't hit that 4.4ish @1.35Vish with this Xeon X5670. As such I settled for 1.312V for 4.2 (I was able to do it at 1.280V, but kept getting WHEA alerts in my Event log). I'll post my BIOS photo soon, but as it stands, I'm doing +0.2250mV on offset Vcore, 1.16V on IOH, 1.2875V on the QPI/DRAM, 1.45V on the DRAM Bus. Let me know if you have advice for me for trying to hit 4.4, I'd like to hit 200x22 to keep things nice, but perhaps this mobo OR cpu OR both are just not able to hit that.

Edit~ I'm also having problems waking from S3 Sleep on this rig. I had this problem with another Rampage III Gene running an X5670 w/GT 430 (for a friend). I've tried Bios 0502, and left everything at auto. I'm fresh out of ideas, and would like some help if there are some Rampage II/III Gene owners.

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nice Job!!

What Graphics drivers are you using? AMD have just updated to catalyst 15.7 which solved some sleep issues for me
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Hmm, I'm on a modded .inf Catalyst 15.15 Driver, I'll try to update to 15.7 and see if it solves anything. Interestingly, in the other system I had a X5670+RIIIG+6x2GB Corsair XMS3 I was using a Zotac GT430, and I still had a similar problem of not waking from sleep. I tried the bios that came with it when I bought it off of ebay (0502) and then later on the newest one (1003), and both had the same problem. Now, I do know that my 290x is running a UEFI vbios, which may cause the problems, but I don't think the GT 430 was. I'm gonna play around with 15.7 Drivers, and maybe try using a non-UEFI 290x bios. Goal is I wanna get S3 sleep mode working, and I can't seem to find too much literature on this online for my motherboard. For the record, S3 sleep works perfectly on my Sabertooth X58 w/X5650/HD6970 rig (gave to my dad).

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In my experience, buggy graphics drivers cause a lot of issues like this. And that is with both the red and the green team before anyone starts..... rolleyes.gif

You have to be even with your criticism here you know. smile.gif

Two things:

1. check all your drivers are up to date including chipset ones - get them from Intel or whoever if you have to, not just your boards website as they can be a bit old in my humble experience.

2. I wish I was your Dad!

Good luck thumb.gif
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Hey guys, I figured the sleep issue on X58. Just disabled "Hybrid Sleep" in the Power Settings, and now sleep works like a charm. Thanks for the input.

Sadly my s3 works like poop, takes about as long to wake up from sleep as it takes a cold boot, solved it by setting it to S1 instead, still chugs a bit of power but I would rather pay the electricity bill than wait for it to boot lol.

My board does not have that hybrid option sadly, guess I am SOL.
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No the hybrid sleep option is in Windows power settings.

Edit~ Are you saying that you don't have that option in power settings, as a RESULT of your board?
Edited by ghabhaducha - 10/22/15 at 6:28pm
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Koolance 380i 2x EK-FC1080 GTX Nickel+Acetal Phobya Xtreme 200mm Radiator Rev 2 Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper 120mm 
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8x Barrow 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD Compression Fittings 2x Barrow 3/8"ID x 1/2"OD Compression Fittings 3x Barrow 40mm g1/4 Extenders 1x Barrow 30mm g1/4 Extender 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
1x Barrow 20mm g1/4 Extender 5x Barrow 90-degree g1/4 Single Rotary Koolance RP-401X2 Rev 1.1 PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing 3/8"ID... 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 1709 2x Crossover 324K w/Workrite Monitor Mounts TCL P605 55" 4K Corsair K95 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Cooler Master V1000 Silverstone TJ08B-E Razer Deathadder 2013 Corsair Gaming MM300 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Grace Design m9xx DAC/Amplifier Audeze LCD-X Fostex TH-X00 Ebony Sennheiser HD 6XX Massdrop Limited Edition 
AudioAudioOther
Fostex T-X0 Klipsch R-15PM + Klipsch R-112SW Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7-4790k @4.8GHz (1.291V) De-Lidded Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC Force AMD R9 290x 1075/1375 Crucial Ballistix Tactical 32GB @1600MHz 8-8-8 ... 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 840 Pro 512GB Samsung M8 1TB 2.5" x4 Samsung F4EG 2TB x3 Seagate SV35 2TB x2 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate Barracuda LP 2TB x2 WD Caviar Green 2TB x1 Sony BD-5850H w/Silverstone FP58 Koolance 380i 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x Swiftech MCP655B D5 Pumps XSPC M20 to G1/4" Fillport 1x Bitspower 90-degree Single Rotary 1x Bitspower 20mm g1/4 extender 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x Bitspower 10mm g1/4 extenders 2x Bitspower D-Plug Sets (BP-MBWP-C07) 2x Bitspower 3/8"ID x 1/2"OD Compression Fittings 1x Bitspower 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD Single Rotary Comp... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
4x Bitspower 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD 45-degree Dual Rot... 3x Bitspower 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD 90-degree Triple R... 1x Bitspower 45-degree Single Rotary Koolance VID-AR290X Rev 1.0  
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK-FB GA Z87X-OC Force PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing 3/8"ID... PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing 1/2"ID... Magicool Extreme Triple 180mm x 35mm Slim Radiator 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Koolance RP-452X2 Rev2.0 Windows 7 Professional x64 Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP Corsair K90 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X-1250XM2 Silverstone FT02 (Modified) Razer Naga 2012 Sony Playstation 3 Mouse Pad 
AudioAudioOther
ASUS Xonar Essence STX Logitech Z-5500 Digital IBM M1115 (LSI 9211-8i IT mode) 
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Intel Core i7-5960x J513B135 @4.5GHz (1.264V) ASRock Fatal1ty X99M Killer/3.1 Nvidia GTX 1080 FE Nvidia GTX 1080 FE 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 DRAM 2... Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512GB (MZ-V5P512BW) Samsung 850 Pro 1TB x2 RAID0 WD Caviar Purple 6TB x2 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Seagate 2TB ST32000542AS  Seagate ST4000LM016 4TB 2.5" x2 (FP58) Crucial M500 960GB x2 (MacOS + Ubuntu) Sony BD-5850H w/Silverstone FP58 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing 1/2"ID... Silverstone AP181 180mm Fan Scythe GentleTyphoon D1225C12B5AP-15 2x Swiftech MCP35X 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Koolance 380i 2x EK-FC1080 GTX Nickel+Acetal Phobya Xtreme 200mm Radiator Rev 2 Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper 120mm 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
8x Barrow 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD Compression Fittings 2x Barrow 3/8"ID x 1/2"OD Compression Fittings 3x Barrow 40mm g1/4 Extenders 1x Barrow 30mm g1/4 Extender 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
1x Barrow 20mm g1/4 Extender 5x Barrow 90-degree g1/4 Single Rotary Koolance RP-401X2 Rev 1.1 PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing 3/8"ID... 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 1709 2x Crossover 324K w/Workrite Monitor Mounts TCL P605 55" 4K Corsair K95 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Cooler Master V1000 Silverstone TJ08B-E Razer Deathadder 2013 Corsair Gaming MM300 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Grace Design m9xx DAC/Amplifier Audeze LCD-X Fostex TH-X00 Ebony Sennheiser HD 6XX Massdrop Limited Edition 
AudioAudioOther
Fostex T-X0 Klipsch R-15PM + Klipsch R-112SW Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7-4790k @4.8GHz (1.291V) De-Lidded Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC Force AMD R9 290x 1075/1375 Crucial Ballistix Tactical 32GB @1600MHz 8-8-8 ... 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 840 Pro 512GB Samsung M8 1TB 2.5" x4 Samsung F4EG 2TB x3 Seagate SV35 2TB x2 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate Barracuda LP 2TB x2 WD Caviar Green 2TB x1 Sony BD-5850H w/Silverstone FP58 Koolance 380i 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x Swiftech MCP655B D5 Pumps XSPC M20 to G1/4" Fillport 1x Bitspower 90-degree Single Rotary 1x Bitspower 20mm g1/4 extender 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x Bitspower 10mm g1/4 extenders 2x Bitspower D-Plug Sets (BP-MBWP-C07) 2x Bitspower 3/8"ID x 1/2"OD Compression Fittings 1x Bitspower 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD Single Rotary Comp... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
4x Bitspower 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD 45-degree Dual Rot... 3x Bitspower 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD 90-degree Triple R... 1x Bitspower 45-degree Single Rotary Koolance VID-AR290X Rev 1.0  
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK-FB GA Z87X-OC Force PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing 3/8"ID... PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing 1/2"ID... Magicool Extreme Triple 180mm x 35mm Slim Radiator 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Koolance RP-452X2 Rev2.0 Windows 7 Professional x64 Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP Corsair K90 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X-1250XM2 Silverstone FT02 (Modified) Razer Naga 2012 Sony Playstation 3 Mouse Pad 
AudioAudioOther
ASUS Xonar Essence STX Logitech Z-5500 Digital IBM M1115 (LSI 9211-8i IT mode) 
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