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post #5761 of 7854
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just buy me that new board you talk about then. since im sure it will run sata3 at sata3 but im running this on sata2. snice my board is broke and you care so much to tell me about new boards not being broke buy me that board. thanks.
still, doesnt answer my question though

I said absolutely NOTHING about "new board" in my last post. I spoke solely about the old X58 platform.
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As I said above you are using a Single SSD and you'll be lucky if you get near 300MB/s, That's pretty much it for you on the SATA II ports. Remember that these are OLD platforms. I had to remind a few people about that. The SSDs were nowhere close as powerful and fast as they are today.

If you cannot understand the limitations of SATA II then there's nothing I can do for you. Once again if you use SATA II ports expect less than 300MB\s for a single drive. You'll usually be below than 275MB/s in most cases.
    
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I actually had a chance to get a SR-2 board at a good price back in late 2013, early 2014. Afterwards the prices [SR-2] went insane with the drop in Xeon prices throughout 2014. The main reason I didn't buy the SR-2 was because I heard about some issues while running dual processors. Some games wouldn't work properly or at all and CPU overclocking & long term stability was shaky. I also thought about how I would need to purchase another chassis for the huge SR-2 board. It would've been around $250-$300+ for the PC case I wanted at the time. I'd also need another water cooler for the extra CPU. Plus the higher end Xeon prices were still well about $300 at the time with the cheaper Xeons hovering around $150-$200. Of course the prices are much lower for many of the Xeons now.

I was also eyeballing a AMD R9 7990 to replace my GTX 670 SLI setup. Well I dodged that bullet and stuck with the 670s After looking at all of the possibilities and how much money it would cost me, in the end I decided not to do it. I had a lot going on in life at the time and bills come first before anything. Now in 2016, yes the SR-2 MBs are higher than ever. I bet some of the sellers purchased the boards at a high price [$500+] and is hoping to sell them for $800-$1,000.00+. That's going to be a tough pill to swallow if people really did scalp the boards solely for profit.

I game at 4Ghz with my Fury X and I get great frame rates and frame times. I benchmark @ 4.6Ghz & 4.8Ghz though. I haven't really looked at Intel latest CPU benchmarks. It looks like the single core gains are getting much better though if the 6700k Quad is matching the Xeon X56xx Hexa. We are talking multi- core benchmarks correct?

Those SR-2 boards are way better investment than stocks lol.
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I'm sorry if this sounds elitest but I'm going to state facts for you.

No matter what you do, onboard Intel SATA-II / 3 Gpbs (What ever you want to cal it) can only do 240 - 255 MB/s write, maybe 270 - 280 reads if you're lucky. MAXIMUM, forever, that is all.

It doesn't matter if you put 2 modern SSD's in raid-0 on either ICH9R, or ICH10R, or 4, or 6 SSD's on it. It will not go above that.

That is fundamentally the maximum performance you can get out of onboard raid on the motherboard on x58 and 775 motherboards.

Even if -ANY- motherboard for x58, or 775, or any of that series have "Sata 6 Gbps" onboard, this is always (for this era of system) a secondary, add-on controller chipset on the motherboard, running over PCI-Express 1x.

There is no Intel motherboard older than Sandy Bridge that has Sata-III / 6 Gbps onboard, native, through the chipset. Which is the only thing that can get above the 255 MB/s barrier in storage performance.

I've owned multiple x58 (and 775) motherboards, P45, P35, x38, x48, 780i, 790i, etc, and tried them with a pair of Samsung Pro 128 GB SSD's and could not get performance higher than 240 - 255 MB/s until I went with a P67 socket 1155 motherboard that has 2 x 6 Gbps ports native through the chipset.

The Only thing I've ever been able to do to get faster was use a Dell PERC 6/i raid controller on a x58 motherboard and 8 x scsi 15k-rpm hard drives and got 560 - 630 MB/s.

I get 370MB/s seq read on P35 with ICH9R and two intel 313 20G ssd raid 0.
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Those SR-2 boards are way better investment than stocks lol.

LOL I know. People are literally sitting on a old platform with a updated chipset that's nearly 7 years old [X58 will be 8 this year]. They can sit on it as long as they want.

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I get 370MB/s seq read on P35 with ICH9R and two intel 313 20G ssd raid 0.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1461359/official-xeon-x5660-x58-review-discussion-and-xeon-l5639-benchmarks-inside/5750#post_24840448

Already addressed. RAID 0 is "ok" for daily usage. Unless you have some programs that need the speed or you are moving a lot of files you'll probably never notice the difference between one SSD and RAID-0 speeds.
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Okay, Keep it clean and civil. No trolling etc.

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As I said above you are using a Single SSD and you'll be lucky if you get near 300MB/s, That's pretty much it for you on the SATA II ports. Remember that these are OLD platforms. I had to remind a few people about that. The SSDs were nowhere close as powerful and fast as they are today.
Ok now that's not necessarily true. I've ran RAID 0 and got 530+MB/s on SATA II.

Yep, a machine I built around the ASRock x58 Extreme is running 3x250gb bx100's in Raid 0 and gets around 700-750MB/s or so, but that was built primarily for Final Cut.

During normal use I notice absolutely no difference compared to my single 840 EVO on my P6T Deluxe v2 (~250-270MB/s). The biggest gains come from the latency of SSD's (~0.1ms) versus mechanical drives (~10ms), which I think most of us know already. The extra throughput will help for copying large files between multiple fast drives or arrays (or video work).
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LOL I know. People are literally sitting on a old platform with a updated chipset that's nearly 7 years old [X58 will be 8 this year]. They can sit on it as long as they want.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1461359/official-xeon-x5660-x58-review-discussion-and-xeon-l5639-benchmarks-inside/5750#post_24840448

Already addressed. RAID 0 is "ok" for daily usage. Unless you have some programs that need the speed or you are moving a lot of files you'll probably never notice the difference between one SSD and RAID-0 speeds.

Or in my case a 20G drive is too small for OS and raiding two of them works perfect. thumb.gif
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Kana-Maru, yeah I know that I have to be careful with the LGA1366 Xeons, for benching, I never gave them more than 1.45V Vcore. What temps and Vcore do you consider safe for 24/7 use under water?

The Q6600 I overclocked, I actually gave it 1.7V on air! I knew it would be crazy to do that, but I really wanted to hit 4Ghz but it was never ment to happen. Now I cannot achieve anything higher than 3.5Ghz tongue.gif
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Kana-Maru, yeah I know that I have to be careful with the LGA1366 Xeons, for benching, I never gave them more than 1.45V Vcore. What temps and Vcore do you consider safe for 24/7 use under water?

The Q6600 I overclocked, I actually gave it 1.7V on air! I knew it would be crazy to do that, but I really wanted to hit 4Ghz but it was never ment to happen. Now I cannot achieve anything higher than 3.5Ghz tongue.gif

I have a 1366 Xeon W3520 (Essentially just the i7-920 in xeon form) that I've had as my gaming machine for a long while now. I run it under custom water loop, 4398 mhz @ 1.5v and it's been doing this just fine daily with turbo off and speedstep off and running at max clock constantly, almost 3 years now and I'm typing on it right now.

At one point back when I had a Corsair H110 (the big 13.5-inch radiator that takes 2 x 140mm fans (4 total)), It used to run around 90c - 95c load when I used it daily for video editing, and it would just.. hang out and run there for hours on end and didn't care. And now under custom water loop it runs about 70c max, idle 30's C, and I still use it daily.. mostly for light video editing and chatting and web browsing and heavy multi-tasking.

So far it's taken all of this "Abuse" all these years and keeps on truckin, no issues yet, no BSOD's in years now.

So the maximum with these 1366 xeons is 100c, as long as you stay below that (even if it's just -5c below) you're probably fine. Older intel xeons are like.. mack trucks, take a lickin' and keep on tickin'
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45nm chips were tanks. All that would be unusual with a 32nm Xeon. Not sayin it's not possible but unusual smile.gif
     
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