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post #6811 of 7957
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Originally Posted by GENXLR View Post

I'm using corsair dominator Gt sticks that were 2000MHZ at 1600Mhz at 9-9-9-24 1T but i can do way better

You havent told us your
Uncore freq
VTT voltage
DRAM settings

Also your GTX 460 is doing you no good, I get perfect gameplay in BF4 with a Hard OC'ed 660ti and even my GTX 580(my 570 barely held on)

IBT is based on Linpack.... in case you didn't know Linpack is what Intel uses AT THE FACTORY to test cpu's soooo..... calling BS on killing CPU's, i even run it on LAPTOP cpu's and they are all ok. Just sayin...

1) Let's take the 186*22 overclock that I've been using for BF3 lately:

Uncore 16 * 186 = 2976 MHz
VTT voltage = +50 mV just for safety sake, becuase it boots fine with +25 mV or even +0 mV
DRAM set to 2:6 which gives 1116 MHz, because the next setting, 2:8, gives 1488 Mhz and thus won't boot, MCH strap set to 1333 Mhz, voltage on auto (1.5V)

2) What do you mean by "GTX 460 doing you no good"? Do you mean it's a faulty unit that's underperforming against its designed performance, or that it's too weak for 2016 and BF3 in particular? I play all lows because that gives the least lag possible anyway.

3) IBT and killing CPU's - google it up, it's been around for a while. I'm not going to run that anyway.
post #6812 of 7957
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For your viewing pleasure, here you go: Battlefield 3 footage, I used Fraps to record the video, it's not as smooth as what ever your buddy was using and impacts my frame rate a little bit, but it gets the job done.

Well, exactly, those are the oscilallations up and down; not to mention the higher amplitude noise at certain moments. That's not smooth and is not how the line looks for people using more modern CPU's. Question is, why?

But, on the other hand, when you switch to 60 FPS (which is basically unplayable - I lose 1v1's even at 120 FPS and higher, but that's not the topic here), the line gets nearly flat! Why could that be?

And, you have no sporadic stutter there, which is different from what I get, that requires investigation!

Edit: Watched more, you do have a few stutter moments exactly on grenade explosions, they're not as pronounced though as mine. So, well, what's the conclusion, are X79 and X99 really better?
Edited by CrazyNightOwl - 5/30/16 at 4:31pm
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Well, exactly, those are the oscilallations up and down; not to mention the higher amplitude noise at certain moments. That's not smooth and is not how the line looks for people using more modern CPU's. Question is, why?

Those moments where it jumps up in usage are being caused solely by the video capture software, I'm not sure why exactly it does that but it does it every so often, it goes from about 120-130 FPS down to exactly 60 FPS which is my capture speed. When I do not have fraps running it's a flat line pretty much, look at the very start of the video, it's nice and smooth and then jumps up, that's the added CPU usage caused by Fraps. Even at that the CPU graph from you buddy is nearly identical to the one I have, it fluctuates as he goes towards the fire fight especially nor is the action in his gameplay anywhere near as hectic as when I'm in the subway surrounded by constant explosions, most of his video is pretty sedate in comparison. Admittedly he must be using a lower overhead video capture method, Fraps is quite dated. Tell me what he's using and I'll do another segment.
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But, on the other hand, when you switch to 60 FPS (which is basically unplayable - I lose 1v1's even at 120 FPS and higher, but that's not the topic here), the line gets nearly flat! Why could that be?

I wouldn't call it unplayable, there's so much **** going on on this map with constant explosions it's almost luck of the draw most instances, not to mention I'm very rusty at this game and would need a lot of practice to keep up with the people who have been playing it since it was released.
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And, you have no sporadic stutter there, which is different from what I get, that requires investigation!

Edit: Watched more, you do have a few stutter moments exactly on grenade explosions, they're not as pronounced though as mine. So, well, what's the conclusion, are X79 and X99 really better?

Again, this could be down to other things running in the background, Fraps is streaming raw video footage to my Windows SSD which creates a significant strain on the system I'm sure, BF3 is running off a separate SSD fortunately but it could still be chocking somewhere at times which causes the spikes your referring to.

Newer architecture will always be better, there's no question there, but to me it's not the make or break part of your system, GPU performance plays a much bigger roll in modern games, that and quantity of RAM, which I'm not sure you ever mentioned, are you using 6GB or 12GB? Also what are your drives? SSD. HDD, multiple drives, what's Windows installed on, is it the same drive your running BF3 off of? I'm just trying to eliminate as many variables as I can now.

I'm going to use the Shadowplay that's part of Nvidia Gameworks, that might yield lower distortions.
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post #6814 of 7957
Well, actually, to compare properly I'd need to go that map myself and look at the graph: I can't use shadowplay given teh GTX 460 and anythign that use the CPU to encode the video will skew the results by 50% (tested, and the resulting input and processing lag basically made me a total noob from an aspiring player, as a result I swore not to record anymore until I get a hardware recording capability such as shadowplay). Which means in a few days only. I'll get back to you guys with a report (maybe I'll use an external cam to record the screen, who knows, that's an option as well.)

Yes it is an SSD, attached to an Intel SATA II port, since using the Marvel SATA III is not recommended. It's a Corsair Force GT 120 Gb. The drive is the only drive for windows and its programs and data. 6 GB of RAM which is running at 1200 MHz with a 1333 MHz strap, else the PC won't boot.

By the oscillations, I mean not 120 <-> 60 FPS fluctutations, but rather the small sinusoidal jitter (or better say oscillation) around the flat line with no obvious reason. I'm sure there are setups where this jitter doesn't exist. On your static screenshots without Fraps, there's next to no jutter at all, while I'm getting it regularly even at 4.1 GHz. What could be thhe reason?
post #6815 of 7957
If you refuse to test with what Intel uses at the factory then thats on you.

The settings my X5650 run is
200Blck
20X multi
Ram is I believe 2:8 for 1600Mhz
Uncore is 2x for 3200mhz
QPI link is at the slowest allowable speeds

CPU voltage is 1.365
VTT is 1.30
PLL 1.8
DRAM bus is 1.66

Running IBT on a STOCK AIR COOLER yields 75C full load at 76 Gflops

When I had a bad OC, even at 4.4Ghz stable i got 43 G/flops
There more to this than just Cor eclock, Uncore makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE. So does memory especially timings

If you refuse to post any results we can't help. IBT again is what intel uses AT THE FACTORY. I've NEVER killed a CPu using IBT and I have thousands of CPU's in a box behind me, Pentium 4 HT 560's, 670's 561s, Pentium D 830's, Celeron E1400's, Xeon X3360's, X3370's, Core 2 Quad Q6600's Q9650's, Xeon X5160's, X5450's, QX9775's, I7 920's, 965's, 975's, X5650's, X5670's, X5690's, i7 2600's, I5 3770k's, i5 4440S's, i7 4690k's, i7 5820k's, and a few more Xeon 2011v3 CPU's. I have not killed a SINGLE CPU using IBT EVER!!!!

That number isn't an exaggeration, I used to have FAH farms running and most were powered by Celeron E1400's, Q6600's, Q9650's, and X3370's, which in total, i have 700 775 cpu's in a box. I test Every chip with linpack(IBT) for stability. if it fails, I dump the chip.

Calling BS on IBT killing chips, if you have a poorly setup system, yeah your gonna kill it. my dual X5450 rig oc'ed from 3ghz to 3.6ghz runs almost 190W per cpu and gets upto 56C on twin air coolers and gets 96Gflops. I also can play BF4 with no stutter, just 20ms higher frametimes than my X5650 but it doesn't make a difference considering interpolation times
Edited by GENXLR - 5/30/16 at 7:41pm
post #6816 of 7957
also LOL 60 FPS is unplayable now???? So you know It's likely your monitors refresh rate is 60hz in which any higher FPS is 100% useless and causes screen tearing, turn on V-sync, and if you have a 120hz monitor, then your GTX 460 is for sure limiting you. I've played BF4 on a 25 FPS laptop and it was playable

http://www.overclock.net/t/1258164/so-apparently-furmark-and-linpack-ibt-damage-your-computer


Just Ran IBT on my laptop

My Laptop Xeon 3360 77C @ 38 Gflops
Edited by GENXLR - 5/30/16 at 9:58pm
post #6817 of 7957
I just hooked my nephew up. He had a dual core sandy bridge i think g620. I set him up on my ol 4 way classified e762 with a x5645 oc'd mildy to 3.8. LOL... he couldn't play many of the newer games without massive stattuering/low fps/crashes. Now hes getting really good performance and he already has a R9 290 gpu i sold him a while back. Most games easily hit 60fps avg which works for him on his 60hz monitor.

Now we can lan and we don't have to wait 5 hours for him to load and lag biggrin.gif

I love x58 Xeons!!!
post #6818 of 7957
Hello Xeon friends smile.gif

I bought one x5675 on Ebay supposedly used but the "thing" looks brand new biggrin.gif

Look at this photos and tell me what do you think about this package ... does the OEM Xeon cpu's come like this from factory?


File_002.jpg File_003.jpg File_004.jpg

File_005.jpg File_006.jpg


The IHS doesn't have any cooler marks on it!

What do you think?!

Thanks,
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Edited by jvidia - 5/31/16 at 2:18am
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post #6819 of 7957
GENXLR, no need to be so anxious mate, it's just a Xeon and a game ^^

By unplayable, I mean the input speed. 120 FPS vs 60 FPS *does* make a difference in online gaming. Look it up.

I don't have any tearing. V-Sync gives input lag, so it's off.

I can post Cinebench results, hyperpi results, wprime results; what do you mean by saying I refuse to post some result so you can't help me?

BTW, when I switched resolutions and thus my aferage fPS went up, I started winning 1v1's and just playing better overall. The hit registration became a lot better, so there is a difference between low and high frame times.

Edit:

OK, installed the utility called "Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool". Is that what you're looking for? It didn't however report any number like 70 GFLOPS on succesful test completion, the closest in meaning was 460 MFLOPS Floating-Point test:

"Floating Point Test
Module Version: 1.0.10.64b.W
Start Time: Tue May 31 12:49:23 2016
Test Result - PASS
Million Floating Points per Second, MFLOPS: 460.8
Error: 0
--- Floating Point Test Passed!!!---
End Time: Tue May 31 12:49:25 2016
Total Time: seconds: 2"

Edit 2: Alright, here's the result from IBT: 45 GFLOPS @ 3.7 GHz
Screenshot: http://imgur.com/23ivqpH
Settings:
cpu 186 * 20
vcore 1.1875, vdroop off
uncore 186 * 16
qpi 186 * 18
vtt + 75 mV
ram 186 * 6
vdimm 1.5 V (auto)
EIST, C1E on, turbo off
HPET off
rest on auto

So I guess, according to your 70 GFLOPS @ 4.0, that either my chip arrived badly used already or I've killed it in the meanwhile?

Edit 3: Set MCH strap to 1067 (8-8-8-8), RAm speed is the same, 1116 MHz, now I'm getting 53 GFLOPS.

Counter-Strike competitions use 300 FPS and I recall reading that when in one comp, they switched to 200 FPS becuase of the weaker hardware, a scandal erupted because the players immediately noticed that.
Edited by CrazyNightOwl - 5/31/16 at 3:21am
post #6820 of 7957
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Hello Xeon friends smile.gif

I bought one x5675 on Ebay supposedly used but the "thing" looks brand new biggrin.gif

Look at this photos and tell me what do you think about this package ... does the OEM Xeon cpu's come like this from factory?

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
File_002.jpg File_003.jpg File_004.jpg

File_005.jpg File_006.jpg

The IHS doesn't have any cooler marks on it!

What do you think?!

Thanks,
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I think you should install it and see what it can do overclock wise and not worry if it's new or not!thumbsupsmiley.png
    
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