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The buddy's? Nah it's a 780 and maybe a Ti at that, not sure about the latter part. tongue.gif

Yeah but.. can't we compare CPU frame times on their own without taking the GPU into account?

I suppose at low res you somewhat can, but the GPU will still affect it.
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Funny observation: the spikes scale down considerably at FullHD. At 1280x800 however, they are a real nightmare. Both res played full-screen, no black frame around the image.

Edit: Can an uncore too low caouse this? Loigc behind this is that uncore is related to the GPU data feed. Or, QPI freq = uncore freq - some say this causes instability.
Edited by CrazyNightOwl - 6/2/16 at 2:58pm
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Funny observation: the spikes scale down considerably at FullHD. At 1280x800 however, they are a real nightmare. Both res played full-screen, no black frame around the image.

Edit: Can an uncore too low caouse this? Loigc behind this is that uncore is related to the GPU data feed. Or, QPI freq = uncore freq - some say this causes instability.

No, this is normal behavior. the lower the resolution the more the graphics work load is set to the CPU
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Wait, please read carefully.

The graph shwon by the command

render.perfoverlaysivible 1

shows 2 types of frametiems: CPU and GPU.

CPU frametimes are a perfect line.

GPU frametimes spike ona regular basis, which feels like as if someone hit or pushed or dragge dme in teh game. Unplayable. Wasn't there 2 weeks ago before I had removed the game and reinstalled it.

With teh same CPU and GPU I was playing without those terrible spikes. They block my aim, movement, etc, so it's not normal.

Added: Well, we're OT way too much already, my apologies in case it breaks the rules. But look:the effect seems to go away when the FPS limit is removed. (i.e. max FPS = 200). Weird, weird.
Edited by CrazyNightOwl - 6/2/16 at 3:31pm
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DrKrieger, let's try to get the max out of this RAM at 1866 MHz, that's probably going to be my setup for a while. I mean tuning the timings and voltages - know very little yet about RAM setup and tweaking. Thank you!

Nevermind, figured out the RAM, but..

Adhmuz your graph makes me want to cry. Post your complete settings please. At the moment I nothing but stutter and lag even at my old settings - 4.1 GHz with 186 BCLK... New RAM seems to be even worse, maybe I'll just RMA it frown.gif

Limiting framrate to 120 gives me an almost perfect line, but then GPU stutter every 1 second appears. Like, every 1 second, regular stutter spikes. I can see them green on the graph.

Other than that, a lot of "noise" - the graph is very noisy compared to yours.

So please post your settings - right now it looks like i'll have to sell this junk (poor person who buys it) and go X79.
Edited by CrazyNightOwl - 6/3/16 at 10:20am
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Also, I can't install 3D Mark, it simply fails to install, or if it installs, it refuses to run, so I can't do proper benchmarks to test the GPU + CPU combo.
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Also, I can't install 3D Mark, it simply fails to install, or if it installs, it refuses to run, so I can't do proper benchmarks to test the GPU + CPU combo.

Not sure how much it will tell you, seeing now your GPU only has 768mb of VRAM makes me question it's ability to play BF3 smoothly without swapping textures to the RAM. Did you ever install MSI Afterburner to see how much of your GPU resources are being utilized? Also what version of 3D Mark are you trying to install?

EDIT: You can always try Unigine to see how you stack up.
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Honestly it seems your Vram will be holding you back far more than the rest of your ysytem
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DrKrieger, let's try to get the max out of this RAM at 1866 MHz, that's probably going to be my setup for a while. I mean tuning the timings and voltages - know very little yet about RAM setup and tweaking. Thank you!

Nevermind, figured out the RAM, but..

Adhmuz your graph makes me want to cry. Post your complete settings please. At the moment I nothing but stutter and lag even at my old settings - 4.1 GHz with 186 BCLK... New RAM seems to be even worse, maybe I'll just RMA it frown.gif

Limiting framrate to 120 gives me an almost perfect line, but then GPU stutter every 1 second appears. Like, every 1 second, regular stutter spikes. I can see them green on the graph.

Other than that, a lot of "noise" - the graph is very noisy compared to yours.

So please post your settings - right now it looks like i'll have to sell this junk (poor person who buys it) and go X79.

The board and platform are not your problem. I would load GPUZ and have the sensors tab open, click log to file, and check your Vram usage. I think the weakest link here is the 768mb 460 you are running. play BF3, or run a benchmark, and check you VRam usage. less than a gig, with any "eye candy" enabled will run out really quick. This will cause the spikes, when it off loads those frames to the system memory. When i have my 2 460's, i would play games and notice the spikes in frame times, and stuttering. this while playing at 1920x1080. was pulling my hair out, until i logged my system stats using AIDA64 (Everest at the time) for system memory, and GPUZ's sensor tab.

the ram is for sure not an issue. We established that prior.
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OK, look, what is this in your opinion (1):



Perfectly unloaded CPU and GPU -> sutter. at 0 load.

And this (2):



The last one, (2), it's the oscillations / noise / fluctuaion in CPU frametimes, am I right? Yellow means CPU, green means GPU frame times respectively. Why the hell does it oscillate in that fashion all over the place? Adhmuz has none of it in his video. Adn if it's CPU frame time, then it's either the RAM, the CPU itself being toast or something else in the line, but not the GPU, as far as I understand. The green line is fine behind the yellow noise, look close!

And finally (3):



Game resolutoin is 1280x800, screen resolution 1920x1080. Settings all "low" and "off", with some settings lowered artificially, such as shadowmap resolution (form the default 1024 down to 256).

I have been looking for a "VRAM" graph in Afterburner, but all there is, is "Framebuffer", and it's only half full. Oh wait, is it called "Memory"?
Edited by CrazyNightOwl - 6/3/16 at 1:39pm
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Yes its called memory
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