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First of all, the OC settings, including the RAM settings. In-game video settings are secondary, but may be useful as well.
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First of all, the OC settings, including the RAM settings. In-game video settings are secondary, but may be useful as well.









My in-game settings are easy, everything is maxed out and I had set the frame rate to 1280x768.
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So I've been testing BF4 trial for a good few hours today and there's no stutter, the line is more or less even, of course the GPU can't handle that game at high FPS, but 1600x1050 averages at 60-80 FPS I think. Not bad overall, for a platform that's many years older than the game. Wonder what I might achieve with a GPU swap.

Other than that, is the QPI speed or the Uncore speed crucial for not "bottlenecking" a high-end GPU? I've looked around in the Passmark (PETest8 to be exact) database and he GTX 970 scores on X58 6-cores are generally lower than those on the modern systems, the difference being quite high, I think as high as 30% in some submissions. What are those guys doing wrong and what should I do to make sure a GP like the GTX 970 / RX 480(X) runs about as fast as on a Skylake (if that's possible)? I hear people saying "old platform" and "GPU bottleneck" as well as "chipset features" all over the place, and while the "chipset features" are understandable, the other two generally sound like marketing cliches to me.

TechPowerUP did a nice Comparison across the PCIE bus. And shows very little difference from Gen 2.0 to Gen 3.0 16x so that shouldn't be too much of a concern.

I personally have a GTX 970 and it never shows signs of being held back by my X5660, benchmark scores in graphic heavy scenarios are all up there with the newer architecture CPUs, clock for clock the older your CPU the slower it will be generally which may have an effect in some benchmarks that test both CPU and GPU, but as far as I know games won't be so highly affected by this. I've yet to play a game that comes anywhere near maxing out my CPU, the latest Hitman for example uses it roughly 30-40%, if I play in DX12 it uses it even less. Which brings me to my next point, DX12 is going to change the way the CPU is used and taxed, from my testing at least. I had some pictures of my CPU usage in both DX11 and DX12 I can show you once I locate them, or I can just redo them. I'll add them in this post in a couple minutes for you to see.

First DX11 CPU Usage during the Hitman benchmark


Second DX12 CPU Usage


If this is anything to go by, CPU usage will actually get better in games to come that use DX12, unfortunately, Nvidia hasn't mad a GPU that is particularly good at DX12 yet.
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My in-game settings are easy, everything is maxed out and I had set the frame rate to 1280x768.
TechPowerUP did a nice Comparison across the PCIE bus. And shows very little difference from Gen 2.0 to Gen 3.0 16x so that shouldn't be too much of a concern.

I personally have a GTX 970 and it never shows signs of being held back by my X5660, benchmark scores in graphic heavy scenarios are all up there with the newer architecture CPUs, clock for clock the older your CPU the slower it will be generally which may have an effect in some benchmarks that test both CPU and GPU, but as far as I know games won't be so highly affected by this. I've yet to play a game that comes anywhere near maxing out my CPU, the latest Hitman for example uses it roughly 30-40%, if I play in DX12 it uses it even less. Which brings me to my next point, DX12 is going to change the way the CPU is used and taxed, from my testing at least. I had some pictures of my CPU usage in both DX11 and DX12 I can show you once I locate them, or I can just redo them. I'll add them in this post in a couple minutes for you to see.

First DX11 CPU Usage during the Hitman benchmark


Second DX12 CPU Usage


If this is anything to go by, CPU usage will actually get better in games to come that use DX12, unfortunately, Nvidia hasn't mad a GPU that is particularly good at DX12 yet.

Very good comparison here. The gen 3.0 PCIE will be marginal at best. Our platform performs in my eyes, amazingly, especially with a well clocked 6 core Xeon. Again I game with HT off. smooths out my game play for FPS.

As for the older platforms causing a "bottleneck", this can be true for an i7 920, any quad core AMD, and some of the 6 core AMD's. main reason that i understood, is the speed of the memory, we have triple channel, plus the ability to get some seriously high uncore (northbridge) speeds. The Uncore, Northbridge speeds are what communicate with the GPU's. This is what still makes our platform with this chip still viable.

@Kana Maru has done a lot of comparisons about this exact thing. The general difference can be as little as 3%. I remember one where the 5820 was only ahead by 11%. Which is next to nothing, you would never see it in real life, or gaming.
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My X5650 kept up with a 5820k if you saw my benchmark in 3dmark, physics scores were 18% different, and that with my x5650 at 4ghz and the 5820k @ 4 GHz and it has 2 extra cores
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My X5650 kept up with a 5820k if you saw my benchmark in 3dmark, physics scores were 18% different, and that with my x5650 at 4ghz and the 5820k @ 4 GHz and it has 2 extra cores

Both 5820k and x5650 are 6 core 12 thread cpus. You mean 4820k?
    
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I've written an article about AMD Mainstream on my blog, but I can't post the link due to getting modded again, smh. Check it out and let me know what you guys think. Apparently I can't post the link, but other people can post my links. Anyways there's one about Nvidia GTX 1080 as well if any one missed. I can't post it here since it'll be to long [and there are pictures]. It's a interesting time to be a PC gamer at the moment.

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@Kana Maru has done a lot of comparisons about this exact thing. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The general difference can be as little as 3%
. I remember one where the 5820 was only ahead by 11%. Which is next to nothing, you would never see it in real life, or gaming.

The general difference can be less than 0.05% and sometimes the X58 actually beats the X79 Sandy Bridge-E \ Ivy Bridge-E in specific benchmarks.

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My X5650 kept up with a 5820k if you saw my benchmark in 3dmark, physics scores were 18% different, and that with my x5650 at 4ghz and the 5820k @ 4 GHz and it has 2 extra cores

3DMark and other synthetic benchmarks are becoming more and more worthless as the months pass. Actual gameplay usually, no it always tells another story. Maybe if the devs stop dragging their feet and release a DX12 benchmark that they have been showing off over the past 7+ months, we can get a better picture, but until then most synthetic benchmarks are all show and tell.

5820k [gimped] 6 core vs X5650 6 core. Did you disable the cores or mix up the GPU names?

4Ghz does pretty well for me while gaming. 4.6Ghz is what I normally use to overclock. I don't think I'll be pushing my GPU above 4.6Ghz any longer since 4.8Ghz doesn't give me better results while gaming. With only 4Ghz I never have to worry about my CPU exceed 56c [based on IBT stress test] and 4.6Ghz is usually 62c-64c max. Obviously I'm never getting close to those temps while playing, but it feels good to know the CPU temp limit.
    
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Hey, there's this great article on the AMD Mainstream right here. What an eery coincidence. biggrin.gif

Thanks for sharing your insights, KM.
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Hey, there's this great article on the AMD Mainstream right here. What an eery coincidence. biggrin.gif

Thanks for sharing your insights, KM.

Dang........your post is just full win. QFT QFW.

No problem and thanks. We need competition and Nvidia has the upper mid range to high and AMD is focusing on the mainstream right now.

I just played a little Batman: Arkham Knight at 4K 100% max settings [no Nvidia Gameworks] with my X5660 @ 4Ghz - DDR3-1400Mhz. I started from the beginning of the game to after Poison Ivy\Batmobile battle. No screen tearing or micro stutter and I average 42fps. That's not bad for 4Ghz-DDR3-1400Mhz @ 4K IMO. I get approx 50fps average with 4.6Ghz\4.8Ghz. I'm sure I can get better fps if I lower the Tessellation being that this is a Nvidia Gameworks title, and we know Nvidia loves the Tessellation in their games. I didn't mess with the Tessellation settings though The game still performs much better now than it did when it first released.

CPU temp average was 43c and the Fury X temp was 44c [on a warm day] . Very good temps IMO. Can't wait for the Big Pascal and Vega showdown.
    
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The general difference can be less than 0.05% and sometimes the X58 actually beats the X79 Sandy Bridge-E \ Ivy Bridge-E in specific benchmarks.
I'd be interested in seeing where x58 is faster than x79 with all other things being equal (same clock speed/memory speed and amount/GPU) because I sure haven't seen it.
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I'd be interested in seeing where x58 is faster than x79 with all other things being equal (same clock speed/memory speed and amount/GPU) because I sure haven't seen it.

Check my X5660 review. I tried my best to find clock vs clock benchmarks for comparison and I think I did pretty good overall. It took forever though. Better yet I'll try to find a few for you.

7.zip 9.20 Benchmark:
A thin win [0.15%] for Decompressing.
Compression difference is 3.67% vs a $1,283.18 - i7-4960X @ 4.7Ghz - Ivy Bridge
http://s26.postimg.org/qmj6hcw15/a37dbe24_k55079.jpg

3DPM-MT
Xeon X5660 @ 4.8Ghz = 1200.9119 [Ranked #8 in the world at the time, yay X58]
i7-3930K @ 4.8Ghz = 1194.7093

Black Hold Benchmark
Xeon X5660 @ 4.8Ghz = 22,408 marks [Ranked #11 in the world at the time, yay X58]
i7-3930K @ 4.8Ghz = 20,800 marks

All test were less than 10% in performance difference. You can see the actual picture of the benchmark in the review. Very few wins, but that's better than nothing a aging platform. Winning isn't everything when you include the price for "winning". When it's less than 10% overall I'll take my X58 platform over $500-$1000+ CPUs all day.
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