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Originally Posted by Kana-Maru View Post

Check my X5660 review. I tried my best to find clock vs clock benchmarks for comparison and I think I did pretty good overall. It took forever though. Better yet I'll try to find a few for you.

7.zip 9.20 Benchmark:
A thin win [0.15%] for Decompressing.
Compression difference is 3.67% vs a $1,283.18 - i7-4960X @ 4.7Ghz - Ivy Bridge
http://s26.postimg.org/qmj6hcw15/a37dbe24_k55079.jpg

3DPM-MT
Xeon X5660 @ 4.8Ghz = 1200.9119 [Ranked #8 in the world at the time, yay X58]
i7-3930K @ 4.8Ghz = 1194.7093

Black Hold Benchmark
Xeon X5660 @ 4.8Ghz = 22,408 marks [Ranked #11 in the world at the time, yay X58]
i7-3930K @ 4.8Ghz = 20,800 marks

All test were less than 10% in performance difference. You can see the actual picture of the benchmark in the review. Very few wins, but that's better than nothing a aging platform. Winning isn't everything when you include the price for "winning". When it's less than 10% overall I'll take my X58 platform over $500-$1000+ CPUs all day.

I realize there isn't a big difference. In my own comparisons I saw between 5-15% in real world CPU heavy tests. Of course in gaming I saw basically no difference.

The $500+ up(side)grade at the time certainly didn't make sense, but the $120-150 prices now are pretty solid for a fully unlocked chip (assuming one can get a good deal on a board).

The big difference for me was running higher clocks at safe voltages. Sandy-E simply overclocks better at lower volts, I have two 1650's and a 1660 and they all have no problem doing 4.6 at 1.3v, and the 1660 does 4.7 at 1.3v with quad channel @ 2400mhz.

That 3DPM score seems a little low for 4.8ghz on that 3930k, I just ran it at 4.7 and got 1221 with a bunch of stuff running in the background.
That is a nice Black Hole score, I scored 21520 @ 4.7.

Of course if you want to compare Cinebench, then you'd see a different story. At 4.7 I get about 1215 and 165 in the single threaded test.
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I ran a ton of benchmarks awhile ago against highly clocked HWBOT scores. Based on the benchmarks overall from HWBOT at the time it the different was 9.77%. Obviously this was great news for the X58 and results will vary from benchmark to benchmark.

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The $500+ up(side)grade at the time certainly didn't make sense, but the $120-150 prices now are pretty solid for a fully unlocked chip (assuming one can get a good deal on a board).

That 1660 sounds great, but the unless the prices are exactly where I want them I'll rather wait for Zen at this point. I hate buying used motherboards and good MB will probably cost nearly $300 or more. I'll need a new PC case [$200 for my new case I want] and CPU water coolers [At least $250 for the CPU loop I want and the sale might be over], & RAM as well. Then there's little cosmetic things like lights etc. That's going to end up pretty much being a "upgrade" price wise so I think I'll wait. I plan to continue to use my X58 machine after upgrading so I won't be able to just strip it completely. Intel still has more releasing coming and who knows what might pop up between Q4 2016 - Q2017. If I found something for the price I couldn't refuse I would jump all over it, but it'll have to be something way past the X79 [2011] of all things.

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Of course if you want to compare Cinebench, then you'd see a different story. At 4.7 I get about 1215 and 165 in the single threaded test.

That's still a 13% & 8% difference. That's not going to make me run out to spend money on a X79 side grade. I don't think would make many people run out and spend hundreds on a side grade. Let alone possibly abused processors and motherboards.
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The big difference for me was running higher clocks at safe voltages. Sandy-E simply overclocks better at lower volts, I have two 1650's and a 1660 and they all have no problem doing 4.6 at 1.3v, and the 1660 does 4.7 at 1.3v with quad channel @ 2400mhz.

Safe voltages aren't a problem on the X58 if you know what you are doing. Well I have no problems running 3.8Ghz [average vCore 0.97v], [4Ghz daily] but I can easily run:
-4.6Ghz 1.15v Average for daily usage including gaming.
-4.8Ghz 1.25v Average.

So when it comes to the safe voltages I'm not worried. As for what "max" voltages are required for 100%, then those are:
-3.8Ghz -1.16v Max
-4.6Ghz - 1.35v Max
-4.8Ghz - 1.43v Max
-5.4Ghz - I don't wanna talk about it

However, I'm never hitting 100% loads on the cores unless I'm purposely benchmarking and I have nothing left to benchmark except my Fury X performance in games now. So in other words I'm never getting near the max voltages nowadays and get great temps regardless. I have no issues when it comes to low vCore usage.


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I ran a ton of benchmarks awhile ago against highly clocked HWBOT scores. Based on the benchmarks overall from HWBOT at the time it the different was 9.77%. Obviously this was great news for the X58 and results will vary from benchmark to benchmark.
That 1660 sounds great, but the unless the prices are exactly where I want them I'll rather wait for Zen at this point. I hate buying used motherboards and good MB will probably cost nearly $300 or more. I'll need a new PC case [$200 for my new case I want] and CPU water coolers [At least $250 for the CPU loop I want and the sale might be over], & RAM as well. Then there's little cosmetic things like lights etc. That's going to end up pretty much being a "upgrade" price wise so I think I'll wait. I plan to continue to use my X58 machine after upgrading so I won't be able to just strip it completely. Intel still has more releasing coming and who knows what might pop up between Q4 2016 - Q2017. If I found something for the price I couldn't refuse I would jump all over it, but it'll have to be something way past the X79 [2011] of all things.
That's still a 13% & 8% difference. That's not going to make me run out to spend money on a X79 side grade. I don't think would make many people run out and spend hundreds on a side grade. Let alone possibly abused processors and motherboards.
Safe voltages aren't a problem on the X58 if you know what you are doing. Well I have no problems running 3.8Ghz [average vCore 0.97v], [4Ghz daily] but I can easily run:
-4.6Ghz 1.15v Average for daily usage including gaming.
-4.8Ghz 1.25v Average.

So when it comes to the safe voltages I'm not worried. As for what "max" voltages are required for 100%, then those are:
-3.8Ghz -1.16v Max
-4.6Ghz - 1.35v Max
-4.8Ghz - 1.43v Max
-5.4Ghz - I don't wanna talk about it

However, I'm never hitting 100% loads on the cores unless I'm purposely benchmarking and I have nothing left to benchmark except my Fury X performance in games now. So in other words I'm never getting near the max voltages nowadays and get great temps regardless. I have no issues when it comes to low vCore usage.

I have my eyes on a few possible upgrade paths.

Boards can be had for cheap, I picked up two x79 deluxes for $150 a pop in very good condition with all sealed accessories and very good condition. Both working great so far.

I only buy used parts at prices where I can't lose if I decide to turn around and sell it. For example recently picked up the 1660 along with a 2670 and 2650 for $200. At those prices it isn't so much spending a bunch of money as much as spending a bunch of time fiddling with settings, which I enjoy anyway. smile.gif

I consider 1.35v in the "safe" 24/7 range on 32nm as long as temps are good, but if cooling is good enough 1.4v is OK. My x5670 is fairly close to yours, but I never did get 4.8ghz quite stable as temps were simply too high on my air setup.

All things considered I do look forward to seeing what Zen has to offer, I'd really like a solid 8+ core chip that has good single thread performance (for all the terribly optimized applications that still linger).
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Boards can be had for cheap, I picked up two x79 deluxes for $150 a pop in very good condition with all sealed accessories and very good condition. Both working great so far.

Where??? I just check Ebay and it looks like the cheapest start around $250, some of them are broken\needs repairs [For parts or not working], missing parts, bent pins etc, and go well past $500.00+. The cheaper boards have some issues and the 1600 will be around $200 or purchased individually. When it comes to CPUs I'd rather buy them from a bulk seller instead of people who has possibly or obviously cherry picked to sell the worse CPUs.

You caught a deal so congrats. That's not going to happen for everyone like the X5650\X5660\L5639 and so on.

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I only buy used parts at prices where I can't lose if I decide to turn around and sell it. For example recently picked up the 1660 along with a 2670 and 2650 for $200. At those prices it isn't so much spending a bunch of money as much as spending a bunch of time fiddling with settings, which I enjoy anyway.

thumb.gif You got more deals hooray. Everyone isn't going to get those types of deals or luck regularly. $200 is bill money for me and many other people. $200 is fine when you don't need a Motherboard, PC case, RAM, CPU cooler and so on. It adds up quickly to get what you need and what you want.
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All things considered I do look forward to seeing what Zen has to offer, I'd really like a solid 8+ core chip that has good single thread performance (for all the terribly optimized applications that still linger).

I'll be perfectly fine with 6 cores since 8 cores doesn't seem to scale that well and performance fall of the map. Once more programs starts to utilize more cores then maybe we will see more 8 core performance outside of benchmarks, server environments and very few programs. For single core speed across all cores the Quad core is where it's at, at least at the moment. I'm waiting to see what Zen will do. Intel is rising all of their prices so apparently they don't care at all.
    
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Where??? I just check Ebay and it looks like the cheapest start around $250, some of them are broken\needs repairs [For parts or not working], missing parts, bent pins etc, and go well past $500.00+. The cheaper boards have some issues and the 1600 will be around $200 or purchased individually. When it comes to CPUs I'd rather buy them from a bulk seller instead of people who has possibly or obviously cherry picked to sell the worse CPUs.

You caught a deal so congrats. That's not going to happen for everyone like the X5650\X5660\L5639 and so on.
I got them from B&H. But the same could be said about proper x58 boards, good deals are pretty hard to come by, even now, but you'll find that Sabertooth or P6T6 for $120 occasionally.
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:thumb:You got more deals hooray. Everyone isn't going to get those types of deals or luck regularly. $200 is bill money for me and many other people. $200 is fine when you don't need a Motherboard, PC case, RAM, CPU cooler and so on. It adds up quickly to get what you need and what you want.
Well, I simply swapped the board/cpu and used the same ram/psu/case then sold off the board and one of my x5670's, I actually had an extra stick of ram as I bought two kits before. The 1650's regularly go for around 150, but the boards are a little bit more difficult to find good deals on.
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I'll be perfectly fine with 6 cores since 8 cores doesn't seem to scale that well and performance fall of the map. Once more programs starts to utilize more cores then maybe we will see more 8 core performance outside of benchmarks, server environments and very few programs. For single core speed across all cores the Quad core is where it's at. At least at the moment. I'm waiting to see what Zen will do. Intel is rising all of their prices so apparently they don't care at all.
It really depends on the workload I suppose. I'm just hoping for the 1680 v2's to come down in price. That's the main reason I traded my x58 parts off.

Edit: And that $200 is bill money for me as well, but when I know I can turn around and sell my old 1650 for 130-160 and the other two chips for $60-70 there is basically no risk even after accounting for seller fees, etc.
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Sounds like you are getting your money worth. That's great thumb.gif . I plan to keep my X5660\X58 build running for some task. If I find a price I can't refuse I'd definitely upgrade. There's some much going on and we are closer to Zen. I'm waiting to see if the prices and performance will hold up for Zen. If they do Intel will have no choice, but to come back to reality with their enthusiast pricing at some point.
    
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1.325v too high for the QPI PLL?


love this platform .. just don't want to burn it out.
     
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1.325v too high for the QPI PLL?
love this platform .. just don't want to burn it out.

I don't have that setting on my board so I'll just include my two cents. It doesn't sound to high and shouldn't be as dangerous as the CPU PLL since it is dealing with other things altogether. What voltage does it run when you use "AUTO"?
    
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1.325v too high for the QPI PLL?


love this platform .. just don't want to burn it out.

No, but why do you need to increase it?

As far as I know for best stability you'd want QPI PLL = IOH Core (NB voltage).

Both of them usually have very little effect on stability once you go above 1.2-1.25.
Mine is rocking at 1.2v (both).
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I don't have that setting on my board so I'll just include my two cents. It doesn't sound to high and shouldn't be as dangerous as the CPU PLL since it is dealing with other things altogether. What voltage does it run when you use "AUTO"?

I think 1.2v. I haven't had it on Auto for a while. Learning this motherboard and X58 overclocking has taken me close to 4-5yrs lol..


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I've been able to stabilize my QPI Frequency @ 4GHz with those volts in bios but it drops to 1.320v on terminal. The IOH doesn't need to be equal just in range.. I thought the same thing for a while. I'm pushing 1.25v in bios - 1.259 on voltage terminal. I've put all my add-on cards on the X58 PCIe hub and things are quicker at 4GHz.

Also been able to hit 3.8GHz with the uncore at 1.325v.. but i recently lowered it, the volts, and my memory for the summer. What's odd is the round trip latency on my memory lowered for each channel e.g. channel 1 went from 57 to 51 rtl. The other channels dropped respectively. Uncore is 1.8x the memory at the moment.
     
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