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Where to start?

The number of heat pipes means nothing?!?!?!?! You are unbelievable.

I mentioned my 9590 as an example. The user has an 8320 which looks exactly the same except for the printing on it. And AMD CPUs have no radius. The edge is square.


The user is actually running at a very low voltage of 1.34 volts and it is able to cool it at that low level. Barely. He has also reinstalled it multiple times with no change. We are looking into better case cooling to help out until he can get a real cooler. At this point the stock cooler is better.

What set me off is the too small base. Why would they go cheap like that? It makes me suspect their entire product line. And yes a cooler that does not cover the entire CPU is not cooling as well as it could. I have mis-mounted coolers so that they do not cover the entire die and cooling is indeed worse.

It isn't like AMD suddenly changed anything. It is that Cryorig doesn't care.
Sorry, but I think it's more your not understanding how big the cooler base needs to be to transfer the heat verses the area the often are.

The heat from CPUI transits almost completely straight through the IHS .. with only a few mm of radial movement The IHS size is more to give cooler base and area to set on. The name "Integrated Heat Spreader" is not really not accurate. Sure, it does spread a litle heat,but the IHS overall size is more to create a flat area to keep cooler flat over the chip and spread the bearing load of seat pressure over a larger area of than spread heat.

If the entire base needed to be as big as the IHS,a dob of TIMthe size of a grain of rice in middle pressing out to form a round circle print would not cool near as well as TIM spread over entire IHS. And we all know the a small dob does a very good job .. usually better than a full spread of TIM. wink.gif

What Sp33d Junki3 said. thumb.gif
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Where to start?

The number of heat pipes means nothing?!?!?!?! You are unbelievable.

I mentioned my 9590 as an example. The user has an 8320 which looks exactly the same except for the printing on it. And AMD CPUs have no radius.

The user is actually running at a very low voltage of 1.34 volts and it is able to cool it at that low level. Barely. He has also reinstalled it multiple times with no change. We are looking into better case cooling to help out until he can get a real cooler. At this point the stock cooler is better.

What set me off is the too small base. Why would they go cheap like that? It makes me suspect their entire product line. And yes a cooler that does not cover the entire CPU is not cooling as well as it could. I have mis-mounted coolers so that they do not cover the entire die and cooling is indeed worse.

It isn't like AMD suddenly changed anything. It is that Cryorig doesn't care.

1) number of heatpipes helps but isnt the only thing that affects cooling nor is it dominant.


2) 1.34v on fx cpu is not low at all. Its an overclock.

3) I can say with certainty that H7 can cool that as i had it on test. Its better than 212x and 212evo, which can both cool up to 1.4ish volts. So the problem lies in bad airflow in case or bad mounting. And i really hope you use amd overdrive for termal measurements.
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1.34 volts is quite low as many motherboards default to 1.4 volts. That is actually an undervolt in this case.

Fans are dominant for cooling, then heat pipes, then fins. The Silver Arrow with 8 heat pipes has the most powerful fans and the least finning. It is also extremely light.

It is in a stock NZXT case so it is doing whatever those 3 case fans are doing. I have NEVER used AMD overdrive.
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1.34 volts is quite low as many motherboards default to 1.4 volts. That is actually an undervolt in this case.
While technically its an "undervolt" if you take the 9590 for what it really is, an overclocked 8350, its an increased voltage.
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Fans are dominant for cooling, then heat pipes, then fins. The Silver Arrow with 8 heat pipes has the most powerful fans and the least finning. It is also extremely light.
Could you drop it already its not the cooler, the H7 is one of the best coolers in its class and outperforms many with more heat pipes.
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It is in a stock NZXT case so it is doing whatever those 3 case fans are doing. I have NEVER used AMD overdrive.
What NZXT case exactly? I have a feeling that "whatever those fans are doing" probably isn't good enough. And have you checked the mount and TIM application yet?
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1.34 volts is quite low as many motherboards default to 1.4 volts. That is actually an undervolt in this case.

Fans are dominant for cooling, then heat pipes, then fins. The Silver Arrow with 8 heat pipes has the most powerful fans and the least finning. It is also extremely light.

It is in a stock NZXT case so it is doing whatever those 3 case fans are doing. I have NEVER used AMD overdrive.
While fans are a key part of coolers and cooling, they are not dominant in my way of thinking. While they are the only component in a cooler we can change, they are simply one part of the combination. I'm not going into fin size, thicknes, count or spacing; how they are attached to heatpipes or how heatpipes are attached to base differenceslor the different heatpipe wicking or other possible heatpipe differences. , . .
Silver Arrow had 4x 8mm heatpipes & 2x 140mm 1300rpm fans
Silver Arrow SB-E & IB-E have 8x 6mm heatpipes & 2x 140mm 1300rpm fans (2x 140mm 2500rpm on Extreme model)
PH-TC14PE has 5x 8mm heatpipes & 2x 149nmm 1300rpm fans
NH-D15 has 6x 6mm heatpipes. & 2x 1500rpm fans
NH-D15s has 6x 6mm heatpipes. & 1x1500rpm fan
NH-D14 has 6x 6mm heatpipes & 120 / 140mm 1200 / 1300mm fans.
Alpenfohn Olymp has 6x 6mm heatpipes. 2x 1400rpm fans
TRUE Spirit 140 Power has 6x 8mm heatpipes & 1x 1300rpm fan
TRUE Spirit 140 Rev. A has 6x 6mm heatpipes & 1x 1400rpom fan
Scythe Fuma has 6x 6mm heatpipes & 2x 120mm 1400rpm fans
HE01 has 6x 6mm heatpipes and a single 140mm 2000rpm fan
All have similar cooling ability with stock fans.

And that is by no means a complete list of coolers with similar abilities.

Please get a grip mate. Cryorig H7 cooler is not the problem. While it is not in the same league as above list, it is a very good cooler (if not the best) in it's own group.
Edited by doyll - 6/30/16 at 12:28am
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There have been motherboards that claim they are good enough for FX. Then they catch on fire, fail quietly after a month taking the cpu with it, or warp and become useless from the heat generated from their under engineered components.

This is another example of manufacturers disrespecting FX by making something that obviously does not fit. It is very much a"Let the buyer beware." issue and I have a zero tolerance attitude towards it.

It's not just this cooler as Deepcool does it too. Then there is the bogus Phanteks mounts. This is unacceptable.
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There have been motherboards that claim they are good enough for FX. Then they catch on fire, fail quietly after a month taking the cpu with it, or warp and become useless from the heat generated from their under engineered components.

This is another example of manufacturers disrespecting FX by making something that obviously does not fit. It is very much a"Let the buyer beware." issue and I have a zero tolerance attitude towards it.

It's not just this cooler as Deepcool does it too. Then there is the bogus Phanteks mounts. This is unacceptable.

Personally, I think the biggest piece of disrespect here was AMD releasing the 9590. It's an ill conceived CPU with a host of issues that consumers and manufacturers should not have to deal with. They did it in a last ditch effort to try to keep up with Intel in the uninformed consumer's eye. They knew it would toast MBs. They knew it was impossible to cool properly at a reasonable cost, and they knew that MB manufacturers weren't going to spend a ton on developing MBs for a single CPU that wouldn't sell at high volumes. But, they released it anyway.

If you want to "blame" someone who said "let the buyer beware", the fault would lie with the company that was desperate to get cash in the door at any price....and we all know who that was (and still is).

And how is the Cryorig owner's thread degenerating into an AMD thread?

BTW - if you want to point out a company "disrespecting" AMD, take a look at the Zerotherm ZT-10D. It claims to be AMD compatible, and comes with an AMD mounting kit.....that is actually physically impossible to install because the heatpipes block the screws. Doing a review of that cooler is actually what prompted me to set up the 870 rig that was in my closet.....which, in turn, moved me off team red within about five minutes of use.
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I am looking to buy H5 Universal but i am not sure if my mobo can fit it, I have Msi H81m-p33 and i am afraid it may bock my Pci-e x16 slot.

If anyone know if it will fit or not would be really helpful!
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I am looking to buy H5 Universal but i am not sure if my mobo can fit it, I have Msi H81m-p33 and i am afraid it may bock my Pci-e x16 slot.

If anyone know if it will fit or not would be really helpful!
Go with the H7 as it is smaller and cheaper. There is also the H7 tester you can print up too see how it will fit.
http://www.cryorig.com/h7_us.php
    
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Go with the H7 as it is smaller and cheaper. There is also the H7 tester you can print up too see how it will fit.
http://www.cryorig.com/h7_us.php

The only reason i didn't bought the H7 it is because the price difference is only 3E in my country for some reason.

I tried that method with H5 Universal (but because i didn't want to remove my Cpu fan my results aren't so accurate), it was rly close to block my Pci-e x16 slot, so close that i don't know if it will fit or not!

I guess i can go with H7 as you told, so i don't have to risk and have almost the same performance.
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