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post #2471 of 3742
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Originally Posted by Slink3Slyde View Post


Your temperatures sound pretty reasonable to me for Prime 95 with a Skylake CPU at that level of overclock. What voltage are you using? I suspect that you are overestimating the H7, its the baby of the Cryorig towers, and 80C isnt all that bad at all.

According to TPU the NHD15 S should be around 10c better then the H7 on an open bench, it should be it has a lot more surface area and twice the heatpipes. Its in a different class of cooler, like the R1 Ultimate and Universal.

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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Without knowing the air temp going into the cooler there is really no way to know if it is a CPU to cooler problem, a cooler problem or a case airflow problem. Typically the room air temp is 8-20+c cooler than component intake air temp. 3-5c is very good. If your cooler intake air temp is 20c warmer than your room air, your CPU is running about 15c hotter than it will if you optimize your case airflow and lower the cooler intake air temp to 5c above room temp.

No idea where you get the idea the D15S is only 3.6-5.6c better than H7. Could you explain and/or give us a link to this?

My current re-paste/remount about a week old Can't do 4.5ghz anymore my temperature got worse had to back down to stock 6700K 4/4.2ghz @ 1.2Volts. which is rated at 95 TDP.. I think there is something wrong with the mounting system and Its applying uneven pressure at some corners. Also last time ive remounted, I saw a small dent at the bottom of H7 from cpu ihs. While the CPU IHS has no markings. Ive narrow it down to either mounting system is not applying the same pressure on all corners or bottom part of H7 is a softer metal and its caving in resulting into uneven pressure.

I know H7 gets good reviews and everything but Im sure none of them test the H7 past 1 day.

CPU idle temp is around 19C, so I know its not hot inside the case. I even tried open case and it makes no difference. When I start prime 95 at 4.5ghz. @ 1.35v Temperature goes from 19c to 90c in 1 second so i stop immediately. But right now temps are stable at stock 4.2

source of H7 & D15 temperature difference
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6958/cryorig-h7-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
Edited by Damasterjj - 7/3/16 at 6:23am
post #2472 of 3742
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Originally Posted by Damasterjj View Post


My current re-paste/remount about a week old Can't do 4.5ghz anymore my temperature got worse had to back down to stock 6700K 4/4.2ghz @ 1.2Volts. which is rated at 95 TDP.. I think there is something wrong with the mounting system and Its applying uneven pressure at some corners. Also last time ive remounted, I saw a small dent at the bottom of H7 from cpu ihs. While the CPU IHS has no markings. Ive narrow it down to either mounting system is not applying the same pressure on all corners or bottom part of H7 is a softer metal and its caving in.

I know H7 gets good reviews and everything but Im sure none of them test the H7 past 1 day.

CPU idle temp is around 19C, so I know its not hot inside the case. I even tried open case and it makes no difference. When I start prime 95 at 4.5ghz. @ 1.35v Temperature goes from 19c to 90c in 1 second so i stop immediately. But right now temps are stable at stock 4.2

source
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6958/cryorig-h7-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

There could be a couple of things going on here.

First, use a test that is more realistic and doesn't use AVX. All P95 after v26.6 use AVX, which will cause tremendous voltage fluctuations on most MBs resulting in artificially high temps. Try running OCCT, AIDA64 (no AVX) or x264 for a more accurate representation of your temps.

If you are still getting temps like that in more compatible tests, it would seem that your seating is bad. Seemingly normal idle temps that are disproportionate under load typically indicate a bad seating or improper TIM spread.

Also, not sure about this "dent". Logic would dictate that your wafer would crack long before a dent was made in the cooler.
post #2473 of 3742
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

There could be a couple of things going on here.

First, use a test that is more realistic and doesn't use AVX. All P95 after v26.6 use AVX, which will cause tremendous voltage fluctuations on most MBs resulting in artificially high temps. Try running OCCT, AIDA64 (no AVX) or x264 for a more accurate representation of your temps.

If you are still getting temps like that in more compatible tests, it would seem that your seating is bad. Seemingly normal idle temps that are disproportionate under load typically indicate a bad seating or improper TIM spread.

Also, not sure about this "dent". Logic would dictate that your wafer would crack long before a dent was made in the cooler.

like i said I gave H7 1 plus months and re pasted and reseated like 10 times. last time i re pasted temps were ok which mean seating was fine but it got worse after one week. you are right cpu should crack long before the heat sink gets a dent. unless heatsink is a softer metal. think about it why would heat sink gets dent and not the ihs? IHS literally looks brand new!
Edited by Damasterjj - 7/3/16 at 6:42am
post #2474 of 3742
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Originally Posted by Damasterjj View Post

like i said I gave H7 1 plus months and re pasted and reseated like 10 times. last time i re pasted temps were ok which mean seating was fine but it got worse after one week. you are right cpu should crack long before the heat sink gets a dent. unless heatsink is a softer metal. think about it why would heat sink gets dent and not the ihs? IHS literally looks brand new!

That is really odd. What TIM are you using? And do you keep using the same tube?
post #2475 of 3742
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

That is really odd. What TIM are you using? And do you keep using the same tube?

Originally I was using AS5 but since it has 8 days cure time I couldn't tell how stable temperature. I switch CP7 temps were ok right away but I notice the temperature degrade

Maybe I'm over exaggerating the dent I saw but I'll take a picture once i receive the a new heatsink
Edited by Damasterjj - 7/3/16 at 6:55am
post #2476 of 3742
Thread Starter 
@ciarlatano, Damasterjj is running 6700K @ 4.5GHz http://www.overclock.net/t/1461923/cryorig-fan-cooler-club-r1-ult-r1-uni-c1-h5-xf140-xt140/2400_20#post_25287725 in a case with 2x 120mm fans @ 1000-1100rpm (1x intake and 1x exhaust). http://www.overclock.net/t/1461923/cryorig-fan-cooler-club-r1-ult-r1-uni-c1-h5-xf140-xt140/2420_20#post_25287832 With no idea what the cooler intake air temp is.
post #2477 of 3742
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Originally Posted by Damasterjj View Post


My current re-paste/remount about a week old Can't do 4.5ghz anymore my temperature got worse had to back down to stock 6700K 4/4.2ghz @ 1.2Volts. which is rated at 95 TDP.. I think there is something wrong with the mounting system and Its applying uneven pressure at some corners. Also last time ive remounted, I saw a small dent at the bottom of H7 from cpu ihs. While the CPU IHS has no markings. Ive narrow it down to either mounting system is not applying the same pressure on all corners or bottom part of H7 is a softer metal and its caving in resulting into uneven pressure.

I know H7 gets good reviews and everything but Im sure none of them test the H7 past 1 day.

CPU idle temp is around 19C, so I know its not hot inside the case. I even tried open case and it makes no difference. When I start prime 95 at 4.5ghz. @ 1.35v Temperature goes from 19c to 90c in 1 second so i stop immediately. But right now temps are stable at stock 4.2

source of H7 & D15 temperature difference
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6958/cryorig-h7-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
I ran my H7 on 6700K for over a month with no trouble at all. Idled in high 20s and peaked in low 60s. At full load the fan was not super quiet, but not bad either. Room is 21-23c and I monitor cooler intake air temp which was 23-26c in a Evolv ATX with 2x intake and 1x exhasut 140mm PH-F140SP fans (back is almost all vented) and fan speed is controlled by CPU temp .. This means case airflow is always more than cooler airflow. I'm pretty sure this is much better airflow than your case with single 120mm intake and exhaust fans. You also don't know what your cooler intake air temp is. I asked you several times. wink.gif
post #2478 of 3742
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I ran my H7 on 6700K for over a month with no trouble at all. Idled in high 20s and peaked in low 60s. At full load the fan was not super quiet, but not bad either. Room is 21-23c and I monitor cooler intake air temp which was 23-26c in a Evolv ATX with 2x intake and 1x exhasut 140mm PH-F140SP fans (back is almost all vented) and fan speed is controlled by CPU temp .. This means case airflow is always more than cooler airflow. I'm pretty sure this is much better airflow than your case with single 120mm intake and exhaust fans. You also don't know what your cooler intake air temp is. I asked you several times. wink.gif

I'd be happy to tell you the intake temp. but I'm sorry but I have no instrument to measure the intake. I can tell you my cpu idle more or less 20C in hwinfo and hwmonitor
post #2479 of 3742
Who here has the Cryorig M9i specifically? I have a question about installation.

So, when you placed the M9i onto your CPU and tightened the two mounting bolts, did you tighten them as far as they would go or just snug them up?

I placed the cooler onto my CPU and tightened the two mounting bolts finger tight, so they were nice and snug. I then gave each bolt two full turns for good measure. There is a decent amount of thread left and they could be screwed in further. However, when I started to tighten it further it just seemed like it was "too" tight and the mounting hardware brackets that the bolts screw into started to "bow".

I ended up mounting the cooler 3 times, observing thermal compound spread each time. All 3 times I used a dab in the center of the CPU smaller than a pea but larger than a grain of rice.

All the way tight: My iTX motherboard looked like it was slightly "bowing", the mounting hardware brackets were slightly "bowing", and the thermal compound got pushed out of each edge of the CPU IHS a little bit.

Finger tight, then two full turns: My iTX motherboard didn't appear to be "bowing", the mounting hardware didn't appear to be "bowing", and the thermal compound spread looked perfect.

Repeated and left it.

Obviously my second mounting "method" is ideal in my situation and I will leave it at that. I am just curious if anyone else thought that tightening the mounting bolts all the way was just too much / too tight.

*This may sound like a stupid question, but this is the first CPU cooler I have ever purchased that didn't have "idiot proof" mounting hardware. By "idiot proof" I mean either bolts with springs and/or bolts that were extremely precise with directions directly stating to tighten them "all the way" or "until stopped"

Just looking for others input on this.
post #2480 of 3742
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Techbyte View Post

Who here has the Cryorig M9i specifically? I have a question about installation.

So, when you placed the M9i onto your CPU and tightened the two mounting bolts, did you tighten them as far as they would go or just snug them up?

I placed the cooler onto my CPU and tightened the two mounting bolts finger tight, so they were nice and snug. I then gave each bolt two full turns for good measure. There is a decent amount of thread left and they could be screwed in further. However, when I started to tighten it further it just seemed like it was "too" tight and the mounting hardware brackets that the bolts screw into started to "bow".

I ended up mounting the cooler 3 times, observing thermal compound spread each time. All 3 times I used a dab in the center of the CPU smaller than a pea but larger than a grain of rice.

All the way tight: My iTX motherboard looked like it was slightly "bowing", the mounting hardware brackets were slightly "bowing", and the thermal compound got pushed out of each edge of the CPU IHS a little bit.

Finger tight, then two full turns: My iTX motherboard didn't appear to be "bowing", the mounting hardware didn't appear to be "bowing", and the thermal compound spread looked perfect.

Repeated and left it.

Obviously my second mounting "method" is ideal in my situation and I will leave it at that. I am just curious if anyone else thought that tightening the mounting bolts all the way was just too much / too tight.

*This may sound like a stupid question, but this is the first CPU cooler I have ever purchased that didn't have "idiot proof" mounting hardware. By "idiot proof" I mean either bolts with springs and/or bolts that were extremely precise with directions directly stating to tighten them "all the way" or "until stopped"

Just looking for others input on this.
I built a 6700k with M9i and did not notice any bow in motherboard. I use a dob in center smaller than a grain of rice. None pushes out sides of IHS, but when removed TIM is just reaching the sides of IHS.
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