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Originally Posted by Sazyk View Post

I agree that H440 is very restrictive in terms of airflow and AF fans aren't the best option, but even if a test with the case completely open the difference is 4-5ºc, so i don't think that "airflow" is the big deal here.

The temp drops 4-5C, or the R1 tests 4-5C better than the 212?

Either way, you should be seeing a bigger difference than that. I'm assuming you checked to make sure the cooler isn't touching any other components. Also, you should have seen a couple of degrees difference when switching TIMs, with the MX-4 being better. I'm almost wondering if you have a bad TIM layer between the chip and IHS. That would cause similar temps with almost any cooler you throw on it simply because the heat wouldn't be getting to the cooler properly.
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The temp drops 4-5C, or the R1 tests 4-5C better than the 212?

Either way, you should be seeing a bigger difference than that. I'm assuming you checked to make sure the cooler isn't touching any other components. Also, you should have seen a couple of degrees difference when switching TIMs, with the MX-4 being better. I'm almost wondering if you have a bad TIM layer between the chip and IHS. That would cause similar temps with almost any cooler you throw on it simply because the heat wouldn't be getting to the cooler properly.

I think that's the problem, the TIM intel uses.

I just tested everything, 2 SP fans intake, 2 AF exhaust, close case, open case, the R1 vertical and horizontal, all the TIMs i have and i get almost the same results. After installing the R1 like 10 times i'm 100% sure i'm doing it right so that's not the problem for sure.

I also checked the contact between IHS and cooler is perfect.

So, if i was getting around 77ºc with the 212 and now, with the R1 open case, the best i can get is 71º i think either the internal TIM is a piece of ***** or the R1 completely sucks.
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Originally Posted by Sazyk View Post

I think that's the problem, the TIM intel uses.

I just tested everything, 2 SP fans intake, 2 AF exhaust, close case, open case, the R1 vertical and horizontal, all the TIMs i have and i get almost the same results. After installing the R1 like 10 times i'm 100% sure i'm doing it right so that's not the problem for sure.

I also checked the contact between IHS and cooler is perfect.

So, if i was getting around 77ºc with the 212 and now, with the R1 open case, the best i can get is 71º i think either the internal TIM is a piece of ***** or the R1 completely sucks.
The possibility of R1 being the problem is somewhere between slim and none. That is a proven fact!

6c lower temps with R1 versus 212 is about right for a stock CPU.

Without actually knowing what the cooler intake air temp is makes it very hard to rule out air temp into cooler not being the problem. Open case does not mean air temp into cooler is at or near room ambient .. and every degree warmer the air is going into cooler is about a degree hotter the CPU will be.
post #3234 of 3318
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Originally Posted by Sazyk View Post

I think that's the problem, the TIM intel uses.

I just tested everything, 2 SP fans intake, 2 AF exhaust, close case, open case, the R1 vertical and horizontal, all the TIMs i have and i get almost the same results. After installing the R1 like 10 times i'm 100% sure i'm doing it right so that's not the problem for sure.

I also checked the contact between IHS and cooler is perfect.

So, if i was getting around 77ºc with the 212 and now, with the R1 open case, the best i can get is 71º i think either the internal TIM is a piece of ***** or the R1 completely sucks.

Unless you somehow got a bad R1 (improperly milled contact area, heatpipes not sitting correctly in the block, etc), which is very unlikely, it doesn't completely suck. The R1 was actually the best air cooler I had tested while I was reviewing, out of the box as good as, or better than, the D15/Silver Arrow/TC14PE on Intel 115X, and significantly better than the 212. Even the H7 was a nice performance step up from the 212. There is an issue somewhere, and I know that the 7700 has notoriously bad TIM, so that was my first thought. It is certainly exhibiting the symptoms, but I would hate to see you delid and have that not be the case. I need to think on this.
post #3235 of 3318
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Originally Posted by Sazyk View Post

I think that's the problem, the TIM intel uses.

I just tested everything, 2 SP fans intake, 2 AF exhaust, close case, open case, the R1 vertical and horizontal, all the TIMs i have and i get almost the same results. After installing the R1 like 10 times i'm 100% sure i'm doing it right so that's not the problem for sure.

I also checked the contact between IHS and cooler is perfect.

So, if i was getting around 77ºc with the 212 and now, with the R1 open case, the best i can get is 71º i think either the internal TIM is a piece of ***** or the R1 completely sucks.

I can assure you that the R1 doesn't suck. . . It can tackle my 4670k at 1.40v while staying in the mid 80s while stressing with prime 95/aida64/intel burn test. Let me add that at a lower voltage a 212 may perform similarly but once you crank up the voltage past 1.25v its where the 212 was, in my case, left in the dust. If I was you I would delid that mofo to reapply the ****ty TIM that intel uses. Also the H440 sucks in the airflow department. A friend of mine has one and his R1 is ~10c hotter than my R1 in the CM Storm enforcer case.
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Biggest question that comes to my mind is what speed are the fans running at for the R1. If they're turned down, naturally the cooler won't seem to be doing as well.

*Lake CPUs are known for having terrible IHS to core tim, with many seeing as much as a 20C drop in load temperatures just by delidding and using a proper paste between the two.
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Biggest question that comes to my mind is what speed are the fans running at for the R1. If they're turned down, naturally the cooler won't seem to be doing as well.

*Lake CPUs are known for having terrible IHS to core tim, with many seeing as much as a 20C drop in load temperatures just by deciding and using a proper paste between the two.
".. just by deciding and using proper paste..." Do you mean delidding? .. or are you still trying to deicde? biggrin.gif
I think you mean delidding, but not sure.
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".. just by deciding and using proper paste..." Do you mean delidding? .. or are you still trying to deicde? biggrin.gif
I think you mean delidding, but not sure.

I wrote delidding but apparently SwipeKeys forgot half the custom dictionary again when it updated,and then decided to just autocorrect anyways.
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I wrote delidding but apparently SwipeKeys forgot half the custom dictionary again when it updated,and then decided to just autocorrect anyways.
I don't use any auto-spelling. I think 20c is probably more improvement than anyone actually gets, but I guess if case fans were all unplugged before delidding and running full speed after .. combined with not using TIM before and getting a good TIM print after there could be 20c lower CPU temps. biggrin.gif Delidding and better TIM temp improvements are like fish stories. tongue.gif
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So for H5 and ryzen, do I just use the back plane that was on mother board. In the AM4 kit box, there was only the bracket, no back plate.
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