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no can be done even with oc.

i am not going to get into what you think is rediculas
He has a point. That is on the higher end of the voltage spectrum for only running a base 4.4 jiggawatts. Even though its a full 2.3 over whats required to bend the space-time continuum you may still be having some other crystals not correctly tuned for efficient time travel.
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He has a point. That is on the higher end of the voltage spectrum for only running a base 4.4 jiggawatts. Even though its a full 2.3 over whats required to bend the space-time continuum you may still be having some other crystals not correctly tuned for efficient time travel.

Ha ha that's funny, sounds like you studied under Dr. Brown. I think the flux capacitor may need a bit o tweaking as well.
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no can be done even with oc.

i am not going to get into what you think is rediculas
He has a point. That is on the higher end of the voltage spectrum for only running a base 4.4 jiggawatts. Even though its a full 2.3 over whats required to bend the space-time continuum you may still be having some other crystals not correctly tuned for efficient time travel.

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no can be done even with oc.

i am not going to get into what you think is rediculas

Well I say ridiculous, but it is a lot of voltage for and 8 core FX to run at 4.4 stable . That's all I meant by that. I have an 8350 here that's a real pig for voltage but will run 4.64 with 1.476v P95 blend stable.

you guys dont see that not all chips can, some can not, where as you only have to worry about yours AMD has to worry about all
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Oh no I do understand it's call CYA ( cover your azz) to prevent RMA and the cpu's only use that voltage under a heavy load . My initial point really was that for a "premium" CPU you wouldn't expect them to just crank the voltage up to the stars. A 4.4 clock isn't all that impressive when it come to your average 8 core FX and turbo is only activated in certain single threaded situations and not on all cores so to me this is a bit decieving. as I haven't see a FX 8350 that wouldn't do 4.4 but I have seen a few 9xxx that really start to struggle for stability once you try to OC them.
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Surprised to read some of these reports. Since the 9370 and 9590 are supposedly just hand-picked 8350's, I wouldn't think that overclocking one would be any different than an 8350. I can hit any bus clock between 200 and 241 (never tried anything higher) and run a stable 4.85 (231*21) on the 970 version of the UD3. It makes me wonder if there's some different microcode that gets loaded into the 9370 and 9590 to ensure stability, because otherwise, it should behave no differently than an 8350.
     
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It's funny how those who don't have a 9xxx say one thing and those who do say something else. They look the same on the outside but behave differently under load.
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It's funny how those who don't have a 9xxx say one thing and those who do say something else. They look the same on the outside but behave differently under load.

They are the same but different at least in my experience. I have both , my 8350 is a dog and loves volts but they're not all like that. My 9370 will run at 4.8 with 1.428v stable but it is so finnicky when it comes to CPU and CPU_NB voltages., it takes a lot of patience to get it to bench at high speeds where the 8350 I just pump up the volts and it just goes faster. I'm not sure if it's the binning or microcode or what it is. I do know that factory setting are 1.5v CPU and 1.45v for the CPU_NB and in my case it doesn't need either of those to run at 4.8 all cores which is over factory speed. But on the other hand I have seen a few that were so hard to tame people got frustrated and sent them back or sold them.
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It's funny how those who don't have a 9xxx say one thing and those who do say something else. They look the same on the outside but behave differently under load.

ironically they dont, iirc flash has them and say it is the same, but i could be wrong, one of the long time people in the 83xx has them and they are the same
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If they're the same under the hood, and we know they are, but consistently behave differently when operated, then it has to be something in the microcode that AMD loads into the chip. AMD has to guarantee that the chips will run at the speeds they're sold at, and one way to ensure stability is to fiddle with certain aspects of the microcode. Intel used to use that trick all of the time back in the days of the Coppermine P3, when their best offerings were unable to compete with the Athlon. They finally took it too far when they tried to sell a 1.13 GHz version that was so demonstrably unstable that it had to be recalled.

You could do something similar with some AMD boards during that time. I had a Soltek board that allowed you to alter the "skew" settings for the CPU manually (overriding what was hardwired into the CPU), and figured out, with hours of trial and error, how to wring a much higher stable OC (with no more than a 1-2 percent performance penalty, relative to frequency scaling) out of my Athlon XP by changing the settings. I put the settings up on OCworkbench.com and helped a lot of people do the same thing.

I bet if you could somehow force a 9590 to identify itself as an 8350 to the BIOS, and have the microcode of an 8350 loaded at start-up, the chip would behave in every manner just like an 8350 does.
     
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I think part of the difference is with the binning as well. This one is very sensitive to voltage and gets hot quickly. When I first got it Flank3r and I were doing some comparisons and it ran more like his 9590s than it does a 9370. Also compared to my 8350 the IMC on this is just plain better runs faster with less voltage just like the CPU itself.
So far from what I have seen the 8 core FX is all over the map and unpredictable as far as clocks are concerned. You can get an 8350 that will top out at 4.7 or an 8320 that'll run over 5.0 . It's really just a crapshoot. So far the same seems to apply to the 9xxx series as well.
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