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Those temps seem really high at those clocks. I wonder if the pcs+ cooler is struggling against vertical orientation. Give this a try - put a towel on the floor and lay the ft02 on its face so you've got the cards horizontal with airflow moving front to back. Just to see if that's what's going on.

Also what speed are the fans hitting? And temps on bottom card?

If you're not going to run these cards at high clocks you can adjust vddc down from the default +50, that will improve temps.

What program do you use to adjust the vddc? Afterburner?
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What program do you use to adjust the vddc? Afterburner?
Trixx offers up to 200mv unlike ABs 100.
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i'm actually starting to hate the PCS+ in CF. PC is hanging often now in games and the temps hit over 90c during gaming.

If you are using only 1 GPU then get the PCS+
If you are using 2 or more GPUs then get the Tri-X

I'll be returning my PCS+ cards. Not a happy experience.
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i'm actually starting to hate the PCS+ in CF. PC is hanging often now in games and the temps hit over 90c during gaming.

If you are using only 1 GPU then get the PCS+
If you are using 2 or more GPUs then get the Tri-X

I'll be returning my PCS+ cards. Not a happy experience.

It's ft02 and pcs+ cooler combo, those guys in the Silverstone case forum are right I think, the vertical orientation just does not work for the PCS+. I have one each of Tri-X and PCS+. The PCS+ is a superior cooler, though the Tri-X is not far behind. Keep in mind also the PCS+ is 52mm thick while the Tri-X is 38mm. There's significantly less spacing between cards with the PCS+.

I was saying from the start you are not getting the temps this card offers.

The Tri-X heat pipes aren't so great for the ft02 either.

With PCS+ in top slot, at 1080 core and 1350 mem with 0 vddc, my pcs+ gets low 60s core, high 60s vrm1, low 50s vrm2. I have a Define R4, but my case is optimized for gpu cooling with a side intake feeding triple 92mm fans on a moddiy pci fan mount which is installed on the side pci bracket, between the side intake and the cards.
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It's not the case that's the problem. Tri-x hit 84 after a few minutes but never went further. PCS+ hit 95c and crashed. The gap between the cards is only a few mm so no air was given for the 1st card.

You need space between the cards in order to allow them to be cool. Near no gap gives the fans no space to allow air to flow.
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It's not the case that's the problem. Tri-x hit 84 after a few minutes but never went further. PCS+ hit 95c and crashed. The gap between the cards is only a few mm so no air was given for the 1st card.

You need space between the cards in order to allow them to be cool. Near no gap gives the fans no space to allow air to flow.

Yeah. That's why I picked the Tri-X to crossfire with my PCS+, because of the thickness and slot spacing issue. But again, I've tried the PCS+ in the upper slot and got great temps. If you can force air in there you're ok but you need a side fan for this, and a side fan setup that has more than one fan blowing on the length of the card is ideal. This is what I use:

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Link for those who might be interested, won't fit in FT02 obviously. http://www.moddiy.com/products/modDIY-PCI-Slot-Fan-Mounting-Kit-%2880%7B47%7D90mm-Fan-x-3%29.html

Right now you've got the PCS+ cooler blowing air out the back as well as the sides and colliding with the case intake flow, the AP181s are stronger obviously but what is getting through is probably only reaching the third fan, and your other two fans are just sucking in exhaust from gpu2. On top of this the vertical pipes means you've less cooling for the core. Keep in mind, you're getting 84c on the Tri-X, I get high 60s with Tri-X as gpu1, stress testing with a 50 run loop of Metro LL bench maxed out core and vrm1 at 71c. This is with fan maxing out at 71%. And the PCS+ in gpu1 gets even lower temps for me, though I can't run it that way because the length of the Tri-X means I have to take out both of my hdd cages, I just did it to test.

But yeah clearly you need a thinner card in gpu1. You might even try a pcie riser to move gpu2 down a slot (that causes latency tho I believe). But I don't consider 84c all that great either. Do you have to have Mantle? If not the reference 780 or 780 ti would probably work better for you.
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Would the Asus DirectCU II cooler be the best option for the vertical setup?
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Would the Asus DirectCU II cooler be the best option for the vertical setup?

i dont think it would, sapphire is second best to powercolor
only advantage, asus is supposedly the quietest but their fans at 100% dont even rev up as high as other 290's

you should try buy that cooler he showed in the post, http://www.moddiy.com/products/modDIY-PCI-Slot-Fan-Mounting-Kit-%2880%7B47%7D90mm-Fan-x-3%29.html

its just a usb connector, doesnt connect into the mobos pci slots or express, pretty neat thumb.gif

just put that sucker next to the powercolor, but are you willing to wait or just bring the card back
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Would the Asus DirectCU II cooler be the best option for the vertical setup?

It's got the right heat pipe orientation for the ft02 but the problem is they just slapped their gtx 780 cooler on the 290 and three of the five heat pipes don't make any contact with the die, and two of the three that do make partial contact. There's a lot of discussion about this in the 290/x thread, if you're willing to mod you can put a copper shim between the pipes and the die to fix this. Personally I think triple high speed fans work better for the 290 than the double larger fan design of the Asus or MSI, which makes for quieter operation but have a lower ceiling for heat dissipation.

I think Tri-X is probably your best bet tbh. Undervolt if you possibly can, dunno if the bios allows it, but xfire gives plenty of gpu power so you don't need high clocks. Btw did you try setting vddc adjust on the Powercolor to 0? Default is +50 vddc and that increases heat. You need to use Afterburner or Trixx to do this, just set the vddc slider to 0. I can run my card at 1080 core with 0 adjust, so overclocked speed at lower temp.
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i dont think it would, sapphire is second best to powercolor

But magic case is probably right that Tri-X works better for crossfire, because if you can't install a side fan to force air between the cards the pcs+ cooler has no intake air to work with I t's just blasting exhausted hot air from gpu2 over gpu1.
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you should try buy that cooler he showed in the post, http://www.moddiy.com/products/modDIY-PCI-Slot-Fan-Mounting-Kit-%2880%7B47%7D90mm-Fan-x-3%29.html

its just a usb connector, doesnt connect into the mobos pci slots or express, pretty neat thumb.gif

just put that sucker next to the powercolor, but are you willing to wait or just bring the card back

It's not gonna fit in ft02 to use this in the way I do you need a vertical pci bracket off to the side of the pci slots.
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4 pages and no pictures of this card in a crossfire setup? Wheres my hardware porn fix haha
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